UAW Members Outcome With Obama vs Bush (unemployment, voters, Congress)
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With the likely bailout of the US car industry, how do you see the Obama Administration treating the UAW members, vs how they would have been treated under Bush.
Assuming the Bush Administration would have required a compensation reduction from UAW members to get them in line with what Honda and Toyota pay US workers, do you think Obama will instead allow them to retain their higher level of compensation?
With the likely bailout of the US car industry, how do you see the Obama Administration treating the UAW members, vs how they would have been treated under Bush.
Assuming the Bush Administration would have required a compensation reduction from UAW members to get them in line with what Honda and Toyota pay US workers, do you think Obama will instead allow them to retain their higher level of compensation?
They will be in for a big surprise. Obama felt all should share in the pain but they will have their own.
What amazes me is that the UAW will not budge. They face mass unemployment and still will not budge. What is up with that?
Do you think that Obama (or through his staff) will expect the concessions as part of the automaker proposals when briefing Congress at the end of March?
What amazes me is that the UAW will not budge. They face mass unemployment and still will not budge. What is up with that?
They are a union that will not give up ground as thats what unions do to justify their existence. It was their refusing to budge that got the auto companies in this mess. In order for the companies to have a chance of becoming profitable they will have to give or face it being imposed by a judge in a structured bankruptcy.
NYT: Obama has vision for auto industry - The New York Times- msnbc.com
Brian Johnson, a veteran industry analyst with Barclays Capital, said the outgoing Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., had “tied up this money with some string.” He added that the “U.A.W. is going to request it to be untied, and the question is whether Obama will untie the string.”
On Friday, Mr. Obama reiterated in a statement that all parties in the industry should have to give up something so the auto companies could revive and change.
“There are going to be some painful steps that have to be taken,” he said later at a news conference.
Great article from the NYT on Obama and the auto crisis.
They are a union that will not give up ground as thats what unions do to justify their existence. It was their refusing to budge that got the auto companies in this mess. In order for the companies to have a chance of becoming profitable they will have to give or face it being imposed by a judge in a structured bankruptcy.
Boy you sound less and less like a liberal everyday. The UAW sharing in the fault? Wow! I guess we have more and more in common everyday.
Boy you sound less and less like a liberal everyday. The UAW sharing in the fault? Wow! I guess we have more and more in common everyday.
I think the assumption on this forum is that anyone who voted for Obama is a far left liberal, and anyone who voted for McCain is a far right conservative. Nearly all of us that think and are not one-party, one-issue voters are in the middle and lean just a little to the right or left. I suspect most of us are centrists and really agree with each other more than the hot button issues on this forum indicate.
I think the assumption on this forum is that anyone who voted for Obama is a far left liberal, and anyone who voted for McCain is a far right conservative. Nearly all of us that think and are not one-party, one-issue voters are in the middle and lean just a little to the right or left. I suspect most of us are centrists and really agree with each other more than the hot button issues on this forum indicate.
SHHH!!!! Hush, James! Of Course we're centrists!
For gosh sakes, though, don't tell everybody. You'll ruin our reputation as wild-eyed bomb throwers who eat babies for snacks.
Then where will we be? We'll get no respect at all...
I think that when Obama gets his hands around this that his attitude will more or less mirror that of this cartoonist's.
The last UAW contract set up, by 2011, what is close to parity on wages and current benefits between the US auto makers and those of foreign auto makers who build cars in the US. Work still remains to get retiree benefits off the books of the US auto workers (a problem that in large part is because the US auto companies have been around for a hundred years, whereas the foreign car folks have been building here for less than 30).
There is plenty of blame to go around for what is happening to the Big 3, but putting the burden almost exclusively on the plant floor workers is bull$hit.
Last edited by fizbin; 12-21-2008 at 07:05 PM..
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