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Old 01-21-2009, 10:34 PM
 
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So we are no longer judging "success" and "failure" by any objective measurements?
Quite the contrary. Objective? Hardly, how about factual.
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Old 01-21-2009, 10:43 PM
 
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Yes Obama sat on the sidelines and the DNC machine ran everything even though he wasn't the establishment candidate. That makes sense. You also seem to act like he magically got loads of money, the fundraising is part of the campaign as well. Why did small donors throw money his way and not Hillary Clintons?
Who said anything about the DNC? I said campaign managers. Not that he didn't make any decisions...obviously, it was his campaign. But to suggest that running a campaign is some sort of "executive" experience that qualifies one for being president is, well, less than convincing.

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And I guess I'll bite. What is the approrpriate amount of experience to run for POTUS, in your mind, and how does that experience apply to the position?
We've had 44 presidents, including the new one, all with varying levels of experience, as well as varying levels of success. I doubt anyone would be able to draw any reliable correlations between specifics types of experience and performance as president.

However, none of that is really my point...the reason that experience is important is that it can give you at least an idea of what to expect in the future. Obama does not have anything like that to really look at. He has never actually been in charge of anything, made the decisions, the buck stops here kind of thing. He's contributed to making budgets, but he's never had to be the guy that actually sign off on the budget.

Point is, he is still a relative unknown. He may turn out to be the first brilliant statesman of the 21st century or he may turn out to be the worst thing to afflict the American people since, um, the last president. I guess I just don't know where all the high expectations come from.
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Old 01-21-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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Quite the contrary. Objective? Hardly, how about factual.
But you just said that Obama is going to be a success relative to Bush...that is not objective.

In four years, do you want to say "Obama wasn't as bad as Bush" or do you want to say "Obama was a great president"?
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Old 01-21-2009, 11:51 PM
 
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But you just said that Obama is going to be a success relative to Bush...that is not objective.

In four years, do you want to say "Obama wasn't as bad as Bush" or do you want to say "Obama was a great president"?
Lets agree on one thing. Bush was an utter failure, Americans saw that, the world saw that. Obama won by a mandate, people clearly want change from the previous 8 years under Bush.

Based on what our country is going through during these tough economic times and as long as GOP wants to be seen as Obstructionist(which they are) and the American people will see as such it will be decades before the GOP see's the White House.

Oh, almost forgot. Obama is and will be a Great President. It is great to have a President who has command of the English language once again.
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Old 01-22-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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A smaller govt that 'works' is always better than a larger govt that 'works'.
That is an absolute truth.
Nothing is absolute except death. Until we have a large functioning government we wont know.
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Old 01-22-2009, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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He had campaign managers to actually run the thing. And raising something like half a billion dollars will do wonders for any campaign.
And you should actually see that he has done things that others have failed at. McCain was handed over Bush's campaign team, which ran the same campaign that was run against him, inspired by Atwater's disciple, Rove. That is something you bought into.

Obama has shown the judgment, when it comes to putting right people in place, and assimilating the right minds around him, lending his big ears even to dissenting voices. He is respectful, straight talker, has shown ability to lead (made a veteran like McCain look bad on not one but MANY occasions), no-nonsense guy. He means business.

He is attentive, and intelligent. This was evident even during the stumbled oath, and after it. Right wing nuts were quick to point finger at him, as they can be expected to, but it couldn't get any more amusing to me than that. CJ Roberts made not one, but THREE mistakes.
- He didn't pause after name.
- He messed up the next line. Obama was being himself, attentive, not just repeating what was being said (I can bet, Bush would have just said what CJ Roberts did), he paused allowing CJ Roberts to correct the sentence.
- CJ Roberts messed it up again, and this time, Obama simply went on, by himself, and with correct words.

I'm not surprised many don't get it. Some, largely because they are bitter. This is no old-school politics.
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Old 01-22-2009, 11:55 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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. . . Obama has shown the judgment, when it comes to putting right people in place, and assimilating the right minds around him, . . . .
He even was smart enough to get an admitted tax cheat to run the IRS!
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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He even was smart enough to get an admitted tax cheat to run the IRS!
Actually, it was Obama team that discovered the issue and had him pay part of the taxes Geithner had not.
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