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View Poll Results: Which is Better Hyped?
Global Warming and the End of Civilization 8 80.00%
Complete US Economic Meltdown 2 20.00%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-17-2009, 02:52 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Global warming and the end of civilization as we know it, or is it the pending US economic catastrophe? Which story do you feel has gotten the better media hype? Which one will Obama magically cure first??? . . . he's kept the ocean's from swallowing up the shore states already.
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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I think we need to treat both issues seriously. They are both real, no matter how much some people say they are not. Scientists and economists world wide are warning about both. We better pay attention and do something about each issue.

I am sure that there are disagreements among people who accept that there is a problem in both areas as to how to deal with them. That would be a better poll, in my opinion.
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:32 PM
 
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Well I think Obama is going to try and fix the economic crisis sooner, since it is more threatening now and needs to be handled more quickly. Plus one man can't fix the global warming crisis, the world as a whole needs to figure out ways to cut back on our emissions.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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You'd think that supporters of the party who denied that we were even in a recession since December 2007 (all the while the Fed was spending trillions to prop up the finance and banking industries) wouldn't claim that the economic news was just hype. You'd think they'd be a little humble. You'd think they'd hesitate a wee bit before boldly sticking their big feet back into their big mouths. You'd think they'd learn something, for crying out loud.

But then you realize they are wingnuts.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Both issues are bogus, or at least misrepresented so that no one can figure out the truth.

[] Global climate change. Yes, climate is changing. But is the change driven by human input? Not enough facts in evidence. I would suspect astronomical influences before assuming humanity's consumption of fossil fuels are at fault. But creating a smokescreen to hide political shenanigans behind the banner of "ECOLOGY" is pure genius. Especially when the #1 greenhouse gas is water vapor. No one is suggesting we legislate a reduction in evaporation.

[] Economic meltdown. Yes, the economy will collapse, in the U.S.A., and the world. But the reason is not being discussed. First, there is a widespread misuse of terms, to prevent addressing the underlying problem. Second, there is a power bloc that will not give up their power without "pulling down the temple" around them.

What terminology is in error?
Calling a "dollar bill" (aka Federal Reserve Note) a dollar. It is not a dollar. Never was, can never be a dollar.
TITLE 12,UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 3,SUBCHAPTER XII,sec. 411. Issuance to reserve banks; nature of obligation; redemption
" Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be OBLIGATIONS of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in LAWFUL MONEY on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank."
FRNs are obligations of the U.S. government to pay lawful money on demand.
LAWFUL MONEY - "The terms 'lawful money' and 'lawful money of the United States' shall be construed to mean gold or silver coin of the United States..."
Title 12 United States Code, Sec. 152.
Federal Reserve Notes are issued under the authority of Art 1 Sec 8 power to borrow on the credit of the United States.
Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
...To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
But the notes were repudiated in House Joint Resolution 192, (June 1933). Congress will no longer guarantee the 'exchange rate' of the dollar (for each FRN).

Though worthless (no par value), the U.S. government accepts them as tender in discharge of public debts owed to it.

By virtue of FICA, each enumerated "contributor" is equally liable for the obligation, making said notes "legal tender" for all debts, public and private.

What should puzzle the careful reader - what "money" (gold or silver) was lent to the U.S. government by the Federal Reserve to substantiate owing over ten trillion dollars?

It certainly is not in Fort Knox (only 2.9 billion dollars, in gold).

Write a polite letter to your Congressman, and ask him if an audit was ever made regarding the public debt?
Ask him about the impossible nature of the public debt.
Ask him if enacting laws that allow impossible contracts are legal, moral, and constitutional. Or just plain stupid.

Now, the underlying factor causing the problem: USURY and SOCIALISM.

Usury - the fee, in money, for the use of money. Mathematically impossible to pay in a finite money token system.

Socialism - burdening the producers for the benefit of consumers. No civilization can punish its productive people and reward its parasites without killing off the host.

Why the economy is tanking
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Old Forge, NY
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Both issues are bogus, or at least misrepresented so that no one can figure out the truth.

[] Global climate change. Yes, climate is changing. But is the change driven by human input? Not enough facts in evidence. I would suspect astronomical influences before assuming humanity's consumption of fossil fuels are at fault. But creating a smokescreen to hide political shenanigans behind the banner of "ECOLOGY" is pure genius. Especially when the #1 greenhouse gas is water vapor. No one is suggesting we legislate a reduction in evaporation.

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What causes water to evaporate quicker?

How many pounds of CO2 are created when you burn a gallon of gas, which weighs 6 pounds?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/co2.shtml (broken link)
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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What causes water to evaporate quicker?

How many pounds of CO2 are created when you burn a gallon of gas, which weighs 6 pounds?

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/***/co2.shtml (broken link)

Carbonites will someday look with embarrassment on their "counting carbon" days.

CO2 is less than 400 ppm of the atmosphere. It's affect is minuscule on the atmosphere's energy equilibrium.

In fact, the majority of the CO2 increase in the atmosphere is from outgassing from the ocean, as it warms. CO2 is the result of climate change, not the cause.

Earth's atmosphere - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Earth's atmosphere (or air) is a layer of gases surrounding the planet Earth that is retained by the Earth's gravity. Dry air contains roughly (by volume) 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.
.01/.00038 computes to 26 times as much water vapor as CO2.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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Global warming isn't real( or at least isn't caused primarily by humans) and gets hyped. The upcoming economic disaster is caused by man( government mostly) and is being hushed. So you tell me which is the bigger threat.
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