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Old 05-27-2009, 08:54 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Seems the left didn't feel this way when that other guy was in office...or when McSame was running...

Weird.
Feel what way, exactly?

If Bush aggressively set a timeline and started removing troops, while leaving open the possibility of leaving a few brigades behind, I'd have supported that.

I have always supported focusing our efforts on Afghanistan rather than Iraq - that's what we should have done in the first place.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:56 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Here is the exact statement from his campaign website:
So as it is now May, that would mean somewhere between 3 to 6 combat brigades have been removed....

Can you verify this?
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:56 AM
 
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More campaign quotes, none of which state total withdrawal:

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Barack Obama's policy for bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq as stated on his Web site:

"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda."

Obama has not been as unequivocal in his public statements, culminating Thursday when he said he would "continue to refine my policy."

- In November he told the New York Times: "As commander in chief, I'm not going to leave trainers unprotected. In our counterterrorism efforts, I'm not going to have a situation where our efforts can't be successful. If the commanders tell me that they need X, Y and Z, in order to accomplish the very narrow mission that I've laid out, then I will take that into consideration."

- In March, he told the Washington Post: "There will be far fewer Americans in Iraq conducting a much more limited set of missions. The precise size ... will depend on consultations with our military commanders and ... the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation."

- In a March speech, he said: "We will have to make tactical adjustments, listening to our commanders on the ground, to ensure that our interests in a stable Iraq are met, and to make sure that our troops are secure."

- In June, on MSNBC, he said: "I've also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments."

- On Tuesday on MSNBC, Obama's foreign policy adviser Susan Rice said: "He has said that the best military advice he's received leads us to believe that we can safely withdraw our forces at the pace of one to two combat brigades per month, and depending on the number of combat brigades he inherits, our best estimate is that that could be accomplished in roughly 16 months. That's not a deadline. That's a timetable, and obviously as Sen. Obama has said on numerous occasions, he will listen to his commanders on the ground, he will follow and heed their advice as he decides how at the strategic level we must proceed."
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:58 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Could you provide where Obama stated the possibility of US troops remaining in Iraq for decades BEFORE he was elected?

Thanks.


That would be relevant because?

Can YOU explain WHY you'd apparently favor the Pentagon NOT preparing for any eventuality and whine when they do?

Maybe you should try and learn the difference between "preparing for" and "planning to"
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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Could anyone post which 3 to 6 combat brigades have been withdrawn from Iraq???
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
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"Being prepared" doesnt mean "is being prepared."
Depends on what your interpretation of "is" is.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:13 AM
 
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Could anyone post which 3 to 6 combat brigades have been withdrawn from Iraq???
Soldiers are coming home every day. Tons of coverage on Memorial Day. Traveling 2 weeks ago, I met 7 soldiers total at the airport.

Besides the fact that Obama has ALWAYS stated that was his goal - but he would have to consult with military advisers to determine the best course of action at the time.

On brigade's return: 'Thank God he's home and he's safe'
4th Brigade troops return from Iraq (http://www.kdhnews.com/news/story.aspx?s=33356 - broken link)
'It's good coming home' | Philadelphia Inquirer | 05/26/2009 (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20090526__It_s_good_coming_home_.html - broken link)
MuskogeePhoenix.com, Muskogee, OK - 120 Oklahoma Guard troops return from Iraq
Minn. Guard Unit Returns From Iraq - wcco.com (http://wcco.com/local/34th.combat.aviation.2.1017298.html - broken link)
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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Could you list the 3 to 6 Combat Brigades that have been removed from Iraq as per Obama's campaign promise?

Not smaller units,not non-combat forces but entire Combat Brigades.

Ooops,it appears Obama is going back on this promise....

Report: Despite Obama’s Vow, Combat Brigades Will Stay in Iraq
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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Could you list the 3 to 6 Combat Brigades that have been removed from Iraq as per Obama's campaign promise?

Not smaller units,not non-combat forces but entire Combat Brigades.

Ooops,it appears Obama is going back on this promise....

Report: Despite Obama’s Vow, Combat Brigades Will Stay in Iraq
Yes, a few brigades will stay in Iraq, as noted prior, he never said ALL brigades will be removed.

Did you read the articles? These are combat troops, hundreds of them returning in waves from their brigades.
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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Did you even read the article?

Nothing has been decided yet.
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"Being prepared" doesnt mean "is being prepared."
And the first step to justify an Obama "lie" is to leak out news stories saying that "we are prepared", get liberals getting used to the fact that we "can", (even though liberals proclaimed that we cant), and then Obama will come out, say that we're staying, and liberals will spin it into something like..

"Obama, took a hard look at the information and discovered that it would be ilresponsible to pull the troops out at this time"..

More justification for ilresponsible campaign promises..
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