What's the reason for the rise of hatred towards Jews?

[Mooseketeer]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

Centuries of not having lived in an area does not give you rights to that area.
People migrate, move, whatever. Wars happen.
They were gone.
Others lived there and the current and centuries inhabited residents were forced to give up their land.

And the Israelis continue to steal Palestinian land.

I completely agree with you regarding Palestine but not all Jewish people are complicit in this genocide. There are some voices of dissent drowned out of course by the majority in Israel but many Jewish people outside of Israel are often in my experience anyway quite liberal and often ashamed of what people are doing in their name.

And there is still quite a lot of anti semitism, most of it not even linked to Israel Domestic Policies but purely through sheer bigotry which I find really regrettable.

Israelis IMO are often fed a diet of lies and untruths about the Palestinians and have often happily swallowed up the party line hook line and sinker but the consciousness is definitely growing. Having been to Israel and Palestine a few times I think it would be difficult to ever side with the Israelis. What is happening is basically state sponsored terrorism and a form of genocide but nonetheless Anti-Semitism in its raw form is something I do find very distasteful and really not helpful as all it does is propagate yet more prejudices.


Israelis need to wake up that's for sure. But the extreme right wing neo nazis especially in Eastern Europe are not concerned with Palestinians' rights or Middle Eastern Politics. Theirs is not a Political hatred but a deep rooted "racism" for the word of a better word. That is just ugly and never justifiable IMO.

I despise Israel as a State and Zionists /Ultra Conservative Jewish people with the "chosen people", rhetoric which under any other banner would be considered the ultimate in bigotry and racism but nboody should hate a Jewish person simply because. That to me is just another way back to 1933.

Jewish people often do not do themselves any favour because of what some are doing to the Palestinians but it does not mean there is no danger from an extreme political faction in some parts of Europe and the US. The argument should be won on its merits alone not because people happen to be Jews. Once people resort to anti semitism they have in essence lost the argument by stooping as low as ultra conservative Jews.

The thing I cannot understand is that a people which has for centuries been persecuted, expelled, reviled and often been treated like cattle in history would resort to such horrendous and appalling methods. You would expect the victims of genocide to be a little more sympathetic and less bellicose...

What Britain, France and the US created after the war in Israel has been an unmitigated disaster. We are in essence responsible for the creation of the conflict as it stands now and for which I find it hard to imagine a solution...

[Glucorious]

Originally Posted by dtango

Makes no difference where they came from. There were no people in the American continent and therefore they stole nobody’s land.

Get a grip.

You don't own land. Greece gained lots of territory by war and slaughtering people.

And then they lost all of it.

And then the economy went down the drain.

And then they got free money from other countries.

To be continued.

[dtango]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

Others lived there and the current and centuries inhabited residents were forced to give up their land.

I regret to have to disappoint a lady, but the land was sold by the residents to the first Jewish settlers.

As to the way the Israeli government is conducting its affairs you may be right, but it does not have to do with the right of the Jews to have their own land.

[dtango]

Originally Posted by Glucorious

Get a grip.

You don't own land. Greece gained lots of territory by war and slaughtering people.

And then they lost all of it.

And then the economy went down the drain.

And then they got free money from other countries.

To be continued.

Yes, my friend, you are right! The Greeks are no better than the Americans. They probably killed most of the people who lived in this here peninsula of the Eastern Mediterranean when they conquered it, and never had the courage to admit it (in this respect the only honest people are the Jews, who admit in the OT that their forefathers enslaved and finally exterminated the inhabitants of Canaan, and the Australians who asked publicly and officially pardon from the Aborigines).

You gain nothing by diminishing Greeks or any other people in your attempt to elevate Americans. You’ll have to follow the example of the Australians.

[MetalLord]

I think it was Adorno (a German Jew himself) who described the Jews as "the middlemen of history." For example, during the years of the Weimar Republic it was the gentiles at the very top who ultimately screwed things up, but it was the Jewish shopkeeper or the mid-level Jewish banker who attracted the ire of the average German carting around hyperinflated currency in a wheelbarrow. Also, people don't remember this, but in America during the Great Depression, Midwestern radio personalities would rant about "Jewish bankers in Chicago" popping champagne corks for every 100th foreclosed farm. Jews made for a convenient, visible scapegoat. It was easier to blame them than to consider vast, abstract, social and economic forces, let alone how the guys at the very top contributed to the mess.

As for how Jews ended up being concentrated in certain sectors such as banking. In the Middle Ages, church law held that "usury" was unbiblical, based on an off-hand recommendation by St. Paul. Since Jews were not bound by that, and since they were barred from so many other economic activities such as farming and most of the trades, they filled in the gap. This is what you would call "paraiah capitalism" where an outgroup provides an economic service that mainstream society is discouraged from engaging in even though they really need that service.