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Khazars were Mongoloid people and spoke a Turkic language. No traces of Turkic words are in Yiddish language (the language spoken by Ashkenazi), instead there are Hebrew and Latin words, proving their periple from Middle East through Southern Europe (Italy, Spain) to Germany and then Eastern Europe. Most Ashkenazi have German names and the Yiddish language is a form of German with Hebrew and Latin words.
The Khazars' descendants are, among others, the actual people from Kazakhstan (btw, a wonderful culture with great music and dance):
Absolutely not fair to single out Hungary to be “rotten”.
Far right parties are strong and getting stronger all across Europe, from Finland, Denmark or Netherlands to Greece or Bulgaria. One big western European country catapulted 1000’s of Roma people 2000 km eastwards but is not labeled “rotten”; on the contrary. It is still romantic and sophisticated (taking a sip of champagne here).
Poor old Europe is in trouble, lunatics known as “political elites” are pushing their agenda of more unified Europe at all costs; the result is economies in ruins and lot of highly frustrated peoples. A dangerous amalgam.
Most people on C-D are liberal so of course they swallow up what the dominant liberal medias in the US and Europe-like the Huffington Post, the NY Times, Newsweek,CNN, BBC, etc- are blabbering.
There is a media campaign right now against Hungary because it is the only state in the 28 country EU that has an openly right wing (not right of center like Cameron, Merkel, the Polish and Spanish governments, but adamantly Conservative). The [so-called] "liberals" can't stand that out of 28 governments, most of them socialdemocratic ,1 government only is right wing! in days of yore, there was also a widespread transatlantic media campaign against Haider in Austria.
I say to the Hungrians : beware! don't forget Serbia was bombed by NATO with the applause of all the liberal medias and political parties. In my book, it could happen anyday to any small European country that does not follow the Liberal agenda in Brussels and Washington!
There is indeed a lot of rotten in France. Civil rights, the freedom of the press, the academic freedom, freedom in education, culture and media has been curtailed, laws including the constitution have been revised in an authoritarian fashion, the justice departement is nowadays more of a puppet to the government, minorities are being suppressed, hatred against Jews and Roma is being accepted, and the foundations of democracy are being diminishe
Most people on C-D are liberal so of course they swallow up what the dominant liberal medias in the US and Europe-like the Huffington Post, the NY Times, Newsweek,CNN, BBC, etc- are blabbering.
There is a media campaign right now against Hungary because it is the only state in the 28 country EU that has an openly right wing (not right of center like Cameron, Merkel, the Polish and Spanish governments, but adamantly Conservative). The [so-called] "liberals" can't stand that out of 28 governments, most of them socialdemocratic ,1 government only is right wing! in days of yore, there was also a widespread transatlantic media campaign against Haider in Austria.
I say to the Hungrians : beware! don't forget Serbia was bombed by NATO with the applause of all the liberal medias and political parties. In my book, it could happen anyday to any small European country that does not follow the Liberal agenda in Brussels and Washington!
Did you notice that the initial article was about Jobbik and not Fidesz?
Fidesz is a member of the EPP, whereas Jobbik is openly fascist/racist. Fidesz's policy is at times a bit strange, but they are definitely not as extreme as FN, NPD, Jobbik or Chrysi Avgi.
And by the way... If I'm correct, 12 out of 27 heads of government (yep, the EU only has 27 member states) are members of the European People's Party. Two are from the Conservatives and Reformists and another two are members of ALDE. So 16 out of 27 are far from being social-democrat or left-wing.
Did you notice that the initial article was about Jobbik and not Fidesz?
Fidesz is a member of the EPP, whereas Jobbik is openly fascist/racist. Fidesz's policy is at times a bit strange, but they are definitely not as extreme as FN, NPD, Jobbik or Chrysi Avgi.
And by the way... If I'm correct, 12 out of 27 heads of government (yep, the EU only has 27 member states) are members of the European People's Party. Two are from the Conservatives and Reformists and another two are members of ALDE. So 16 out of 27 are far from being social-democrat or left-wing.
1) I acknowledge the EU has already 28 members, since Croatia is due to be a member in a few weeks!
2) you said it, it's Fidesz and not Jobbik who is in power in Hungary. So why this fear mongering over that country ?
3) it still leaves 12 governments (the Croats have a social democratic government right now) that are on the Left. Still a lot, considering that most of what is considered "right wing parties" in Europe (Christian Democrats, Liberals-not in the American sense-, centrist) are not really right wing anyway.
1) I acknowledge the EU has already 28 members, since Croatia is due to be a member in a few weeks!
2) you said it, it's Fidesz and not Jobbik who is in power in Hungary. So why this fear mongering over that country ?
3) it still leaves 12 governments (the Croats have a social democratic government right now) that are on the Left. Still a lot, considering that most of what is considered "right wing parties" in Europe (Christian Democrats, Liberals-not in the American sense-, centrist) are not really right wing anyway.
It's not that Hungary has a right-wing government, it's because they are reforming the society in a very undemocratic fashion. Free press, free speech and an independent justice department are essential to a democracy, and this is not a reality in Hungary anymore. That's my concern.
Jobbik is allied with Fidesz, so it is in power. It's the third largest party in Hungary and often openly fascist and xenophobic.
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Absolutely not fair to single out Hungary to be “rotten”.
Far right parties are strong and getting stronger all across Europe, from Finland, Denmark or Netherlands to Greece or Bulgaria.
I think it is. No other democracy in Europe has done these reforms. If France throws out criminals from it's borders, it isn't the same thing. I'm against discrimination, but the situation of the Romanian and Bulgarian Roma are primarily Romania's and Bulgaria's problem. Even in Finland there's been a lot of pickpocketing, mugging and theft made by Romanian and Bulgarian Roma, and I don't realize why crime should be accepted even if the people live in very bad conditions at home.
I also have to clarify the far right point in Finland. Though in foreign media the True Finns party has been labeled a far right party, in reality it isn't. It's mostly a conservative, populist, EU-critical protest party, which has a pretty leftist agenda in economic and social questions. As the party leader Timo Soini once stated "we are a workers' party without socialism."
The anti-immigration theme is dominant only in a small clique in the party, not in the party as a whole. Most MP:s think there's a lot worse things in the society to reform and immmigration is just a secondary matter. As even the National Coalition party has been more and more liberal during the last 30 years, the True Finns are the only conservative party people can rely on.
It's not that Hungary has a right-wing government, it's because they are reforming the society in a very undemocratic fashion. Free press, free speech and an independent justice department are essential to a democracy, and this is not a reality in Hungary anymore. That's my concern.
Once again, for the sake of the argument, let's admit that Fidesz is de facto sharing power with Orban's party : then what ? didn't the Hungarian voters cast their ballot in favor of these political parties? or are you in favor of forbidding at the European level all parties that are at the right of the Dhristian democrats?
By the way : it's intellectually inconsistent to say in the same sentence that Europe is "threatened by the extreme right" and then acknowledge that after all (eg in the case of Finland) it's not actually a right wing party!
My opinion is that people who are pretending that "Europe is threatened by fascists" because Wilders has 10% of the vote in the NL or Farage 26% in a local election in Britain are not really democrats, the core of the matter is that they can't stand that the minority who has right wing views are allowed to make politics.
Once again, for the sake of the argument, let's admit that Fidesz is de facto sharing power with Orban's party : then what ? didn't the Hungarian voters cast their ballot in favor of these political parties? or are you in favor of forbidding at the European level all parties that are at the right of the Dhristian democrats?
By the way : it's intellectually inconsistent to say in the same sentence that Europe is "threatened by the extreme right" and then acknowledge that after all (eg in the case of Finland) it's not actually a right wing party!
My opinion is that people who are pretending that "Europe is threatened by fascists" because Wilders has 10% of the vote in the NL or Farage 26% in a local election in Britain are not really democrats, the core of the matter is that they can't stand that the minority who has right wing views are allowed to make politics.
No, I'm not forbidding anything, you get me wrong. But democracy and liberalism has the same right and responsibility to defend itself as any other type of government. The Hungarian government is a legally elected one, so we can't overthrow it, but the EU, as a loose coalition of democratic countries can say that we don't accept these reforms you make. If a country in the EU turns away from democracy, it's the job of other members to take countermeasures if needed.
It worked with Austria, as a result of Haider's government all other EU countries decided that if Austria follow this path, they will be regarded as outcasts. The trend was reversed.
And I'm not concerned with the right-wing parties, let banning them. Even if they would get 30% of the turnout in elections, there's 70% who don't support them. And no respectable nation in Europe would never accept a dictatorship without it resulting in a civil war. Hungary is right now living in a recession and a new national revival with hopes for revanchism, but if the other EU countries say to Hungary their claims are impossible and out of reality, and they could become the new Belarus which no one want's to cooperate with, it may open their eyes.
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