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Not in Tibet, R1b is related (in some cases) with Indoeuropean languages, not with the Tibetan branch of languages. Indo-Iranians are not originally from Tibet.
I know. That's why I found it remarkable. But it must be an error on the map. I've seen "R" placed on other migration maps, and it's a bit west of Tibet, around Afghanistan/Tajikistan. Those placements are probably approximations, anyway. Plus, I think the place of origin of R is disputed, anyway.
There is a theory that the Halogroup R is responsible for the spread of light skin, blonde, red hair in European, because fair pigmentation was a physical feature associated with Indo-Europeans. However blue eyes were already present in the I haplogroup in Scandinavia in Mesolithic times.
R probably still is responsible for the spread of those characteristics. I didn't get around much, outside of Europe. Except on one map, I some some "I" west of lake Baikal, which I couldn't find an explanation for.
It's very important to settle those studies, because in many places of europe, the original population is dissapearing under the massive income of immigration.
There is a theory that the Halogroup R is responsible for the spread of light skin, blonde, red hair in European, because fair pigmentation was a physical feature associated with Indo-Europeans. However blue eyes were already present in the I haplogroup in Scandinavia in Mesolithic times.
Cultural traits like language, phenotype traits of pigmentation and genetic Y chromosome traits don't necessarily have to go together as a package.
My own research leads me to believe that those searching for the origin of the modern European phenotype should look in the area of the Baltic region stretching towards the stomping grounds of the modern Slavic speaking peoples and former USSR territory down to Turkey north of the Taurus Mountains.
A recently identified R1b subclade in Great Britain named R1b-S530/R1b-L1335, has been identified as the "Pictish" marker. The R1b-S530 is found in 10% of Scottish males, while less than 1% of English have it. In Northern Ireland, about 3% of the Northern Irish were found to be from this subclade. This tells us a lot that history doesn't lie much.
Cultural traits like language, phenotype traits of pigmentation and genetic Y chromosome traits don't necessarily have to go together as a package.
My own research leads me to believe that those searching for the origin of the modern European phenotype should look in the area of the Baltic region stretching towards the stomping grounds of the modern Slavic speaking peoples and former USSR territory down to Turkey north of the Taurus Mountains.
You are talking about R1a, R1b comes from Maykop and the Kuban river. Slavs are R1a.
Not in Tibet, R1b is related (in some cases) with Indoeuropean languages, not with the Tibetan branch of languages. Indo-Iranians are not originally from Tibet.
An Indoeuropean people aren't from Tibet but in someplace in Central Asia / Northwest India / Northern Pakistan / Hindukush Mountains or East Europe (Russia).
An Indoeuropean people aren't from Tibet but in someplace in Central Asia / Northwest India / Northern Pakistan / Hindukush Mountains or East Europe (Russia).
That poster misunderstood my post. "R" is from somewhere around the area of Tibet, or just west of it, or a little north. (Eupedia says "north Asia", but I've never seen another source that goes that far.) But "R" arose long before Indo-Euros ever existed, even in a formative stage. From it, R1 and R1a and -b developed. R1a and -b developed into Indo-Iranians and Indo-Europeans. Where, exactly, is up for debate. The oldest actual example of R that I know of was found in a boy buried 24,000 years ago in the Baikal region.
From what I have read, YDNA R1b is the most common among males in Europe-especially in Western Europe/Central Europe. While R1a is more common in Russia. While YDNA I was in Europe earlier than R1b. YDNA I (I read someplace were hunter-gather) and also read articles that suggested they already had the genes for blue eyes. While I read that the R1a and R1b were from nomadic people living on the Eurasian steppes and were quite tall. YDNA N1c is more common on the Eastern Baltic regions-Finland (61%), Lapland (53%), Estonia (34%), Latvia (38%), Lithuania (42%) and northern Russia (30%). YDNA N1c derived from YDNA NO which is also parent of YDNA O which is common in East Asia.
It's easy to find samples, and these are the averages of those samples... but can that be extrapolated to the whole population?
R1b Y-haplogroup is most common in the western parts of Europe, but is not the oldest haplogroup in
Europe either!
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