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Cultural traits like language, phenotype traits of pigmentation and genetic Y chromosome traits don't necessarily have to go together as a package.
My own research leads me to believe that those searching for the origin of the modern European phenotype should look in the area of the Baltic region stretching towards the stomping grounds of the modern Slavic speaking peoples and former USSR territory down to Turkey north of the Taurus Mountains.
Unfortunately for you, in this case they do, phenotypical pigmentation traits, language, Y-chromosomes can go come together. This is said with assurance, due to results released by a study done by geneticists from the Trinity College Dublin (Ireland) and archaeologists from Belfast's Queen University (Northern Ireland) at the end of December 2015, done on the skeletal materials which dated 5,200 years ago and approximately 4,000 years ago. The skeletal material dating 5,200 years ago (Neolithic times) depicts a female with genes for black hair, brown eyes, with genes more similar to those of Southern Europe or the Middle. This clearly signals the Early European Farmers who introduced agriculture to Europe! While on the other the skeletal materials dating 4,000 years are completely different and much more similar to that of modern Irish people with genes for blue eyes, pale skin, high lactose tolerance, diseases which are most prevalent in Ireland, R1b haplotypes. Thus distinctly Irish traits such as piercing blue eyes and pale skin became the norm in Ireland 4,000 years old. These Bronze Age people came from the Yamnaya Culture area in Ukraine and Russia.
What's that large group of "I" west and north of Lake Baikal? How/when did that get there?
They might be Finno Ugaric influenced indigenous groups. In earlier times, Finno Ugaric tribal groups lived alot further east than they do today. That area probably included far eastern Siberia.
Starting in the 1500s, the more eastward Finno Ugaric groups started to get gradually "squeezed out" by more numerous Asiatic indigenous peoples. Some Finno Ugaric groups were then absorbed through inter marriage. Others, such as the Mani in the northeren Urals have kept their Finno Ugaric identities, but have a certain amount of asian features today.
As a side note, asiatic siberians told Russian ethnographers that a blond, shamanistic tribal people (isolated Finno Ugarics, Sa'ami?) was in the Nova Zelmya area when they arrived in the 1700s. The two groups were occasional rivals, but mainly just tried to avoid each other. By 1860s though, the asians reported that the blonds had disappeared. My guess is that the remnants either died out, or had drifted into Russian settlements and had gotten absorbed.
They might be Finno Ugaric influenced indigenous groups. In earlier times, Finno Ugaric tribal groups lived alot further east than they do today. That area probably included far eastern Siberia.
Starting in the 1500s, the more eastward Finno Ugaric groups started to get gradually "squeezed out" by more numerous Asiatic indigenous peoples. Some Finno Ugaric groups were then absorbed through inter marriage. Others, such as the Mani in the northeren Urals have kept their Finno Ugaric identities, but have a certain amount of asian features today.
As a side note, asiatic siberians told Russian ethnographers that a blond, shamanistic tribal people (isolated Finno Ugarics, Sa'ami?) was in the Nova Zelmya area when they arrived in the 1700s. The two groups were occasional rivals, but mainly just tried to avoid each other. By 1860s though, the asians reported that the blonds had disappeared. My guess is that the remnants either died out, or had drifted into Russian settlements and had gotten absorbed.
OK, this thing about Ugric peoples moving west from farther east is ringing a bell now. Samoyedic peoples originated in the Altai, and have left some of their genome behind. Though Ugric peoples generally belong to Hg "N". "I" is a pre-Indo-Euro European Hg, frequent in Scandinavia and the Balkans, believed to have originated in Europe. That's why it's curious that there's a sizeable region of it on the west side of Lake Baikal.
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I believe that currently Family Tree DNA is the only company testing direct paternal line Y-DNA and direct maternal line mtDNA. Which will tell your halplogroup this is a very exact science.Testing those two areas of your dna will tell you what your maternal and paternal haplogroups are.
There is a different type of test called aDNA(autosomal) DNA will inform you of the DNA you inherited from all your lines within the last five to six generations sometimes much further(This test is not nearly as exact as the Y-DNA and mtDNA it will give you a breakdown of ancestry by percentage. You can purchase this test from several companies the only 3 I would recommend are 23 & Me, Family Tree DNA and Ancestry.com.
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