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United Nations in it´s classifications eg says northern Europe is Nordics+Baltics+UK+Ireland. As well, the terms "northern" and "southern" aren´t the certainly the only terms one can use. There are other words too, like central and western European.
Surprising that Danes are on top. Swedes being the most tolerant -that is not surprising, in turn.
United Nations in it´s classifications eg says northern Europe is Nordics+Baltics+UK+Ireland. As well, the terms "northern" and "southern" aren´t the certainly the only terms one can use. There are other words too, like central and western European.
Surprising that Danes are on top. Swedes being the most tolerant -that is not surprising, in turn.
Not really. Dansk Folkeparti is the second-largest party in Denmark. The party is against immigration from non-Western countries, just like Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden) and FrP (Norway).
And this map is based on the official EU definitions for European regions and is used in EU parliament and institutions. So, let's settle this debate because the EU has spoken. The British isles are western Europe, while northern Europe is contiguous with the Nordic Council and the Baltic States
That map is more like it. I'm sure the feelings towards gypsies are due to personal negative experiences with them compared to non-personal experiences with Muslims. Iv'e had gypsy con artist try to rip me off so I can understand. As for as Muslims go all we have to do is look to the headlines to see why. As far as black people go, I'm sure that many are thought to be Muslims. I bet if you said Black people from America you would get a more favorable answer.
I have limited experience but paradoxically I heard that in Sweden several Italian guys (including one Italian-Swedish guy who speak perfect Swedish) encountered some discrimination and disproved the myth of "perfect Sweden".
Be it clear, I'm not saying that Sweden is 4th reich.
And before attacking me, I'm testifying what some people who lived in Sweden and what they reported about their experience, it is not the overall truth.
In terms of stereotypes/general impression, I always had the impression that Swedes/Danes and Norwegians were much more arrogant and snobbish towards other Europeans (especially Southerners), Finns are somewhat "less known".
I have limited experience but paradoxically I heard that in Sweden several Italian guys (including one Italian-Swedish guy who speak perfect Swedish) encountered some discrimination and disproved the myth of "perfect Sweden".
Be it clear, I'm not saying that Sweden is 4th reich.
And before attacking me, I'm testifying what some people who lived in Sweden and what they reported about their experience, it is not the overall truth.
In terms of stereotypes/general impression, I always had the impression that Swedes/Danes and Norwegians were much more arrogant and snobbish towards other Europeans (especially Southerners), Finns are somewhat "less known".
The Swedes might sound a bit arrogant, I've encountered it. Maybe it's their past as a major power and the impression of their "folkhem" perfect society. The Danes are a bit too, but much more down-to-earth and Finland and Norway are just pawns in the game. Sweden likes to be the big brother of Finland, and Denmark does it desperately towards Norway, which is obviously not succeeding.
Regarding Italy and Italians, there has always been some odd attraction from Finland towards Italy, maybe due to the fact that our geographical positions have always been vulnerable and both countries have been overshadowed by their neighbours (Germany and France vs Sweden and Russia). For example, if we stereotype a lazy Mediterranean olive-eater it's always Spain, never Italy. I had a Finnish-Italian classmate (from Turin) in elementary and high school, and he never encountered any even remote discrimination, unlike an Albanian classmate did. And the secretary of the Finnish FA is named Marco Casagrande, with his roots in Southern Italy.
This is largely sterotypical and painted with a broad brush, so don't take it literally.
The Swedes might sound a bit arrogant, I've encountered it. Maybe it's their past as a major power and the impression of their "folkhem" perfect society. The Danes are a bit too, but much more down-to-earth and Finland and Norway are just pawns in the game. Sweden likes to be the big brother of Finland, and Denmark does it desperately towards Norway, which is obviously not succeeding.
Regarding Italy and Italians, there has always been some odd attraction from Finland towards Italy, maybe due to the fact that our geographical positions have always been vulnerable and both countries have been overshadowed by their neighbours (Germany and France vs Sweden and Russia). For example, if we stereotype a lazy Mediterranean olive-eater it's always Spain, never Italy. I had a Finnish-Italian classmate (from Turin) in elementary and high school, and he never encountered any even remote discrimination, unlike an Albanian classmate did. And the secretary of the Finnish FA is named Marco Casagrande, with his roots in Southern Italy.
This is largely sterotypical and painted with a broad brush, so don't take it literally.
Not only Danes love Norway but swedes also, they both tries to be big brother. Its hard to be loved by so many
Not only Danes love Norway but swedes also, they both tries to be big brother. Its hard to be loved by so many
And of course finns also loves Norway. That is why one of Norways counties is named after finns, because there are so many with finn heritage who lives there
And of course finns also loves Norway. That is why one of Norways counties is named after finns, because there are so many with finn heritage who lives there
That is not right true. Finland originally meant only this area:
The Norse sagas tell how warlords raided and conquered 'Finland', when it meant only this area. The other Finnish people were called Tavastians, Savonians, Karelians, Ostrobothnians and Lapps. What the Norsemen meant with 'Finland' were the Lapland and Finnmark areas inhabited by Samis and a handful of Ostrobothnians (Lapps). The Eddas tells about raids towards the 'Finns' which were in fact Samis and Northern Finnish populations. It wasn't before the 16th century the whole of the "Östlandet" was begun to be called 'Finland'. It is true that there was a Finnish influence in Northern Norway and the sagas tell about retaliations towards the Norsemen, but this involved just a few % of the total 'Finnish' population. The Southern Finns were too busy fighting the Novgorodians.
When the Swedes colonised this area:
it was and still is called "Nyland" (the new land). They landed here and subdued the local population quite easily, as the Tavastians weren't really seafarers. Later the Tavastians stroke a deal with the 'Finns' from the previous map and Tavastians to battle both the Novgorodians and the Danes, who also liked to come here on our coasts to loot.
... And of course we love the Norwegians. Just if you'd be a bit less rich...
That is not right true. Finland originally meant only this area:
The Norse sagas tell how warlords raided and conquered 'Finland', when it meant only this area. The other Finnish people were called Tavastians, Savonians, Karelians, Ostrobothnians and Lapps. What the Norsemen meant with 'Finland' were the Lapland and Finnmark areas inhabited by Samis and a handful of Ostrobothnians (Lapps). The Eddas tells about raids towards the 'Finns' which were in fact Samis and Northern Finnish populations. It wasn't before the 16th century the whole of the "Östlandet" was begun to be called 'Finland'. It is true that there was a Finnish influence in Northern Norway and the sagas tell about retaliations towards the Norsemen, but this involved just a few % of the total 'Finnish' population. The Southern Finns were too busy fighting the Novgorodians.
When the Swedes colonised this area:
it was and still is called "Nyland" (the new land). They landed here and subdued the local population quite easily, as the Tavastians weren't really seafarers. Later the Tavastians stroke a deal with the 'Finns' from the previous map and Tavastians to battle both the Novgorodians and the Danes, who also liked to come here on our coasts to loot.
... And of course we love the Norwegians. Just if you'd be a bit less rich...
They didn't manage to conquer anything actually. At least they didn't have settlements in "Finland".
Even the Saga of Olaf Haraldson tells how Olav Haraldsson, the King of Norway, plundered in Finland and was almost killed in the battle:
Quote:
After this they sailed to Finland and plundered there, and went
up the country. All the people fled to the forest, and they had
emptied their houses of all household goods. The king went far
up the country, and through some woods, and came to some
dwellings in a valley called Herdaler, -- where, however, they
made but small booty, and saw no people; and as it was getting
late in the day, the king turned back to his ships. Now when
they came into the woods again people rushed upon them from all
quarters, and made a severe attack. The king told his men to
cover themselves with their shields, but before they got out of
the woods he lost many people, and many were wounded; but at
last, late in the evening, he got to the ships. The Finlanders
conjured up in the night, by their witchcraft, a dreadful storm
and bad weather on the sea; but the king ordered the anchors to
be weighed and sail hoisted, and beat off all night to the
outside of the land. The king's luck prevailed more than the
Finlanders' witchcraft; for he had the luck to beat round the
Balagard's side in the night. and so got out to sea. But the
Finnish army proceeded on land, making the same progress as the
king made with his ships. So says Sigvat: --
"The third fight was at Herdaler, where
The men of Finland met in war
The hero of the royal race,
With ringing sword-blades face to face.
Off Balagard's shore the waves
Ran hollow; but the sea-king saves
His hard-pressed ship, and gains the lee
Of the east coast through the wild sea."
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