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The Anatolians also have that Aroumanian/Roman influence running through them. Much of the family histories, however, may have forgotten this. Their former prime minister, Karamanlis, if memory serves was an Anatolian Vlach with a Macedonian mother.
Then you have further confusion, at least in terms of Macedonians and Greeks. !
Macedonia is and has always been a geographical region. So I see you are forwarding Balkan propaganda once again. Get your facts straight and don't be spreading lies and misinformation
Macedonia is and has always been a geographical region. So I see you are forwarding Balkan propaganda once again. Get your facts straight and don't be spreading lies and misinformation
Same with Greece, which is an assemblage of Anatolians, Aroumanians, Turks, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Italians and Albanians.
The majority population in Athens in the 1800's was ........ ALBANIAN!
See if populace can think up another new branch of science, form of government, philosophical mode of thought, or basis for Western culture that can be licensed for quick cash
This is an humorous article but involuntarly points out to a misunderstood reality about the Greeks' contribution to civilisation. If Greece was so much of a nation of geniuses 2,500 years ago, why it isn't anymore to these days? The explanation is the same with the explanation about the so-alled Islamic scientific revolution during its golden age. Both Greece's advancement during its classical and Hellenistic period and Islamic world's superior level of scientific knowledge and amount of discoveries were mostly owed to other neighbour and older cultures (or conquered cultures in the case of Islam), Egyptian, Persian, Babylonian etc which trully were the craddle of human civilisation. Greece was only advantaged by its position in the vicinity of these ancient civilisations. When they stopped to be advanced relative to the rest of the world (today these areas are among the most backward), Greece stopped to mean something for the world of science and culture. The same way, after Islam conquered the ancient
world, the Levant, Persia, India, it culturally and scientifically prospered for few centuries because was feeding on the reserves of knowledge (libraries and so) they took possession and because most of its scientists were natives from those cultures (Persians, Indians etc) and fewer of them were Arabs. But later, when the old knowledge thesaurus stopped to be a novelty and when the native populations have been assimilated into the Arabic language, the Islamic world stopped to be the science leaders they have been.
Today, Greece and the Islamic world have insignificant contribution to world's scientific progress or artistic scene.<br>
Historical reality, Athens was an Albanian town up to 19th century:
Like the rest of the population, since the 1950s, Arvanites have been emigrating from their villages to the cities and especially to the capital Athens, which, incidentally, was a mainly Albanian (Arvanite) small town in the early 1800's, before becoming the Greek state's capital (Nakratzas, 1992:87-8). It appears that urbanization has been leading to the loss of the use of the language, which has been surviving more in the traditional villages.
Arvanites are a population group in Greece who traditionally speak Arvanitika, a dialect of the Albanian language. They settled in Greece during the late Middle Ages and were the dominant population element of some regions of the Peloponnese and Attica until the 19th century.
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Regions with a strong traditional presence of Arvanites are found mainly in a compact area in southeastern Greece, namely across Attica (especially in Eastern Attica), southern Boeotia, the north-east of the Peloponnese ...
... Within Attica, parts of the capital Athens and its suburbs were Arvanitic until the late 19th century.
Watch it! Next he's going to start telling us that they were really Arvanophone Greeks!
So what? Your stats even if real (but are not)prove nothing and show sporadic areas of certain ethnic groups. You like to think or wish that the Greeks and their culture have disappeared. Guess what? Ever since the ancient times, whomever has come under the pillars of the Acropolis has been HELLENIZED! The keepers of the eternal flame are still there with the passing of the generations century after century. That is the gist of greek culture and civilization and those that pick and manipulate historical events will NEVER get it. Either they don't want to for political reasons or its too difficult for their thick skulls to comprehend. There is a big scientific community out there with open minds and with many philhellenes that do so you guys go on with your hatred and see how far it can get you.
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That's right, Gruevski. One of your countrymen. Born from parents who come from Greek Macedonia and were expelled from his ancestral lands. He could have been your next Tsipras (but competent) if you didn't ethnically cleanse so many Macedonians from our lands.
the giveaway is here: Keeps using the word Macedonian as an ethnic group so he is obviously from Skopje/FYROM and is filling this thread with pro and anti ethnic venom. Guess that's what makes the Balkans what they are. Good thing Greeks separate themselves from this as they have their history and culture to lean on and guide them through and not get trapped in these closed minded beliefs. You think with the passing of centuries this would have eroded but there are certain geopolitical and even religious reasons that propagate such outrageous beliefs and feelings and more amazingly with people that seem to have some education.
So what? That your stats if real prove nothing but sporadic areas of certain ethnic groups.
Not so sporadic:
So, some have estimated that, when the Ottomans conquered the whole Greek territory in the XV century, some 45% of it was populated by Albanians (Trudgill, 1975:6).
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Guess what? Ever since the ancient times, whomever has come under the pillars of the Acropolis has been HELLENIZED! The keepers of the eternal flame are still there with the passing of the generations century after century.
Vlachs and Albanians helped Greeks alot in their struggle against Ottomans since middle age and up to modern time. And what was Greece's reward for this?
The policy of the new Greek state was to Hellenize all the non-Greek speaking Orthodox populations within its, then limited, territory as well as in the territories of Epirus, Macedonia, Thrace and Asia Minor still under Ottoman rule
Also, Romanians helped during late middle age the Mount Athos and the Greek establishments from Holy Land. Not only that without the financial help of Wallachia and Moldavia Mount Athos wouldn't have existed today, but most of the present architectural structures of the twenty monasteries were rebuilt in present form at the expense of rulers of Romanian principalities. And what was the Greek way to express their gratitude for this? They (the Phanariotes) exploited the Romanians to the last drop of blood and stole as much agricultural production as they could through the dedicated monasteries.
the giveaway is here: Keeps using the word Macedonian as an ethnic group so he is obviously from Skopje/FYROM and is filling this thread with pro and anti ethnic venom. Guess that's what makes the Balkans what they are. Good thing Greeks separate themselves from this as they have their history and culture to lean on and guide them through and not get trapped in these closed minded beliefs. You think with the passing of centuries this would have eroded but there are certain geopolitical and even religious reasons that propagate such outrageous beliefs and feelings and more amazingly with people that seem to have some education.
Why does your census refer to Macedonians if they don't exist? The real answer is that they do exist and it was a known fact by the Greek government. As time went on, it became convenient to lie and create the fiction that these people were "invented by Tito" or some other such nonsense. Macedonians (my kind) from Greek Macedonia go to the Greek parish here and they refer to us as Macedonians.
Why does your census refer to Macedonians if they don't exist? The real answer is that they do exist and it was a known fact by the Greek government. As time went on, it became convenient to lie and create the fiction that these people were "invented by Tito" or some other such nonsense. Macedonians (my kind) from Greek Macedonia go to the Greek parish here and they refer to us as Macedonians.
AHA! There you have it a SKOPIAN! He obviously doesn't comprehend that his source has been manipulated and is published by Skopians. Such schemes are constantly being created to enrich their propagandist machine. More pro and anti ethnic BALKAN PROPAGANDA AND HOGWASH. Some people can't snap out of it and perpetuate such closed minded beliefs and feelings. I feel so sorry for them
Your 40%+ Albanian minority soon to be majority is what you have to worry about not Greeks.
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