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Old 09-11-2015, 11:26 AM
 
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The refugees from Iraq and Syria are driven away by the Iranian & Russian backed Assad regime and by ISIS (also brought on by Assad and his backers). The Sunni's in Iraq were fine until Iran helped elect a Shiite (Al Malaki) as President of Iraq and then he - in turn - fired all the Sunni's from the military and positions of power and replaced them all with his people. Al Malaki - against the advice of the USA - did this. Iraq was seeing real stability until he got into power. He alienated the Sunni - not the USA. Does this mean that history can't look down the past 50 years and not find fault? Of course it can. The USA has dropped the ball big time in that area. But, so has many others including Syria & Iraq itself. No one country except Syria & Iraq can take the lion's share of this crap cake.
Uh-oh, remind me now please - what's the religious denomination of ISIS - are they Sunnis or Shias?
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Vik
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had sadamn been left in power , there would be no ISIS

the usa went with the wishes of there israeli lobby however and didnt things work out oh so well
Yeah, probably no ISIS, no Kuwait, no Israel, no Saudi-Arabia, probably no Iraqis either since he was good at gassing his own.

I really get your political viewpoint. What other dictators do you support?
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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Thank you.
Russians ( being an older nation) have their own wisdom when it comes to Islamic counties ( since they have been dealing with the issue of Islam, historically speaking, a lot.) Their approach is basically this - if it's not radical Islam, if we can somehow "modify" it while living side by side with it - that's what we will do.
And if the Islamic country is functional ( and not radical,) - ( we are talking Assad in this case,) then don't fix what's not broken, because the alternative might be much, much worse.
great analysis.

The sad thing is many are not smart enough to realize that, and kept thinking by removing the "dictators", the people will have a much better life.

You know what, for some areas and during some period, a dictator is the best scenario. Better than the chaos we see today.

The US definitely is a culprit of the instability of the Middle East in the past decade. There is no way to deny that. Why can't they just get the hell of there already? Only a complete fool would think the US is some benign nation trying to bring peace and prosperity to the M.E., or anywhere in the world.
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Yeah, probably no ISIS, no Kuwait, no Israel, no Saudi-Arabia, probably no Iraqis either since he was good at gassing his own.

I really get your political viewpoint. What other dictators do you support?
If removing a dictator is your goal, you are being extremely naïve and irresponsible. Plus, how having a dictator have anything to do with the US tens of thousands of miles away? Are Americans' life affected? Should Russia or China interfere with America's racial problem?
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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Uh-oh, remind me now please - what's the religious denomination of ISIS - are they Sunnis or Shias?
Sunni. Wasn't that kinda' clear?

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Old 09-11-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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Yeah, probably no ISIS, no Kuwait, no Israel, no Saudi-Arabia, probably no Iraqis either since he was good at gassing his own.

I really get your political viewpoint. What other dictators do you support?
Someone's "dictator" is someone else's "democrat" and someone's "democrat" is a "dictator" in someone else's eyes.
That's how the life goes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8Zge2-Vvw
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Vik
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If removing a dictator is your goal, you are being extremely naïve and irresponsible. Plus, how having a dictator have anything to do with the US tens of thousands of miles away? Are Americans' life affected? Should Russia or China interfere with America's racial problem?
In your love of bloodthirsty dictators you are forgetting one very IMPORTANT matter: the Syrian people.

The Syrian people wanted initially to get rid of the dictatorship of al-Assad. This is what started the war in the first place.

However al-Assad could continue with the support from whom? Yes, Putin and Russia. If it hadn`t been for the support of Russia - the conflict might have been over in a short while. Maybe Syria would have been ruled by moderate forces (as moderate as they can get in the Middle East).

In the meanwhile IS takes advantage of the situation. These criminals will enter anywhere there is a void. I don`t believe the people of Syria picked IS over al-Assad. They don`t want either - but with the help of Russia they got both.

I don`t know if American lives are affected. Probably not. But mine is. I am a tax payer in a European country which borders are being flooded.

You are so whacked in your view of the US and it`s involvement - that you can`t see straight. Maybe if the US did get involved in Syria more - they would have fixed it. I hope the US stays away.

But now the whole scene is left to the Russians, clueless European politicians, al-Assad and IS. That sure is a recipe for pure hell.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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Sunni. Wasn't that kinda' clear?
So there you go.
US unmistakably side with Sunnis over and over, throughout each and every conflict out there, and this is denomination that breeds the most violent and sickest forms of Islam. No wonder that this time around Al Maliki was advised by Americans ( yet again) to "not to remove Sunnis from governmental positions."
But to no avail, of course. This is the old region ( that whole region, Iraq including) - the ancient lands of Persia that has been conquered by Arabs (practicing Sunni Islam), where the conquered people whose original culture has been destroyed, accepted ( grudgingly) a different form of Islam - Shia version of it. Since then this conflict in muslim world is going non-stop.
America constantly takes side of the conquerors, given the close relations it has with the source of Sunni Islam- Saudi Arabia. But once you remove the "dictators," (that promote the socialist ideas, so inconvenient for America, since they complicate the access to the natural resources of the said above countries with "dictatorial regimes," guess what comes in place? Islam. What kind of Islam? Obviously Americans don't want Shia Iran to increase its influence, so they'll always side with Sunnis, and that's what Sunni Islam breeds - the Islamic states like ISIS. Or Afghan Taliban. Or Ichkeria's state ( Islamic state of Chechnia.)
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Vik
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Someone's "dictator" is someone else's "democrat" and someone's "democrat" is a "dictator" in someone else's eyes.
That's how the life goes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr8Zge2-Vvw
Hey Erase, I have spent time in Soviet Russia...and I can assure you it was not so hot. I would prefer a democrat over a dictator any day. But to each their own.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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In your love of bloodthirsty dictators you are forgetting one very IMPORTANT matter: the Syrian people.

The Syrian people wanted initially to get rid of the dictatorship of al-Assad. This is what started the war in the first place.
yeah, the people. If there is a rebelling force, then the "people" want to overthrown their government. Pretty easy to communicate to the Americans, isn't it? The smart propaganda machine.

Except there have been quite a lot of anti-government forces in Saudi Arabian and Qatar too, all of a sudden the US government is on the side of those dictators, not the "people" any more
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