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Originally Posted by erasure
So there you go.
US unmistakably side with Sunnis over and over, throughout each and every conflict out there, and this is denomination that breeds the most violent and sickest forms of Islam. No wonder that this time around Al Maliki was advised by Americans ( yet again) to "not to remove Sunnis from governmental positions."
But to no avail, of course. This is the old region ( that whole region, Iraq including) - the ancient lands of Persia that has been conquered by Arabs (practicing Sunni Islam), where the conquered people whose original culture has been destroyed, accepted ( grudgingly) a different form of Islam - Shia version of it. Since then this conflict in muslim world is going non-stop.
America constantly takes side of the conquerors, given the close relations it has with the source of Sunni Islam- Saudi Arabia. But once you remove the "dictators," (that promote the socialist ideas, so inconvenient for America, since they complicate the access to the natural resources of the said above countries with "dictatorial regimes," guess what comes in place? Islam. What kind of Islam? Obviously Americans don't want Shia Iran to increase its influence, so they'll always side with Sunnis, and that's what Sunni Islam breeds - the Islamic states like ISIS. Or Afghan Taliban. Or Ichkeria's state ( Islamic state of Chechnia.)
I can't argue this at all. The Sunni-fascists and the Shia-fascists are a pain in the world's collective arse. Leaving the dictators alone is the wise way to go when it comes to Islamic nations. These animals need to have a strong hand to keep them from devolving into chaos and further religious violence.
yeah, the people. If there is a rebelling force, then the "people" want to overthrown their government. Pretty easy to communicate to the Americans, isn't it? The smart propaganda machine.
Except there have been quite a lot of anti-government forces in Saudi Arabian and Qatar too, all of a sudden the US government is on the side of those dictators, not the "people" any more
You know so much of the US involvement in Syria, can you answer me the following question:
Who does the US side with in Syria then? Al-Assad or IS?
In your love of bloodthirsty dictators you are forgetting one very IMPORTANT matter: the Syrian people.
The Syrian people wanted initially to get rid of the dictatorship of al-Assad. This is what started the war in the first place.
Some of these "Syrian people" wanted to abolish Assad, who allowed practicing of all kinds of religion in Syria - did you think about it? And the "volunteers" from other Arab countries paid by Saudis came to help them to promote the case of "pure Islam." Did you ever think about it? Or you are full of spoon-fed propaganda, how "democratic people" of whatever country demand "peace and democracy American way," and they do not demand the rules imposed by Sunna instead? Because that's what they perceive as "freedom."
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However al-Assad could continue with the support from whom? Yes, Putin and Russia.
That's correct. Because Russians ( unlike Americans) understand that some kind of order is better than anarchy that might follow, given the complex demographic/religious background in those lands. Not to mention that this "dictator" is of moderate Islamic background, and doesn't pose any radical threat.
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If it hadn`t been for the support of Russia - the conflict might have been over in a short while.
How about Iraq?
Were Russians there as well, that after the removal of Saddam the conflict somehow, miraculously, didn't just "disappear" the way you try to paint it here?
Some of these "Syrian people" wanted to abolish Assad, who allowed practicing of all kinds of religion in Syria - did you think about it? And the "volunteers" from other Arab countries paid by Saudis came to help them to promote the case of "pure Islam." Did you ever think about it? Or you are full of spoon-fed propaganda, how "democratic people" of whatever country demand "peace and democracy American way," and they do not demand the rules imposed by Sunna instead? Because that's what they perceive as "freedom."
That's correct. Because Russians ( unlike Americans) understand that some kind of order is better than anarchy that might follow, given the complex demographic/religious background in those lands. Not to mention that this "dictator" is of moderate Islamic background, and doesn't pose any radical threat.
How about Iraq?
Were Russians there as well, that after the removal of Saddam the conflict somehow, miraculously, didn't just "disappear" the way you try to paint it here?
I am sure the Syrian people would be very happy to be without the Russian understanding of complex demographic/religious background in those lands.
Just as happy as the Baltics, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary are...and Ukrainia is trying to be.
Some of these "Syrian people" wanted to abolish Assad, who allowed practicing of all kinds of religion in Syria - did you think about it? And the "volunteers" from other Arab countries paid by Saudis came to help them to promote the case of "pure Islam." Did you ever think about it? Or you are full of spoon-fed propaganda, how "democratic people" of whatever country demand "peace and democracy American way," and they do not demand the rules imposed by Sunna instead? Because that's what they perceive as "freedom."
This is a simple story US government keeps feeding its people and the world.
And somehow they are naïve enough to buy that. As we know, American voters always love a simple "good vs evil story". Anything more would be too complicated for most to understand.
As I mentioned in the previous post, there are democratic people seeking freedom in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain too, yet every time, the US is on the side of the dictators/kings, providing unlimited weaponry to quash any instability.
I am sure the Syrian people would be very happy to be without the Russian understanding of complex demographic/religious background in those lands.
I'm sure some of them would love to be free of Assad ( and Russia) to practice the Sharia law, but some, ( looking back at what they USED to have,) might understand now that it was not all that bad with Assad.
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Just as happy as the Baltics, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary are...and Ukrainia is trying to be.
I'm sure that once Russia will be no longer concerned with her very existence being under threat, "Baltics, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary" can sleep well. ( It's not like Russia doesn't have enough of territories of her own.)
And Ukraine? Ukraine is not going anywhere.
Those dumb Southern Russians ( that's who Ukrainians really are) need to learn their lesson yet one more time in history.
The refugees from Iraq and Syria are driven away by the Iranian & Russian backed Assad regime and by ISIS (also brought on by Assad and his backers). The Sunni's in Iraq were fine until Iran helped elect a Shiite (Al Malaki) as President of Iraq and then he - in turn - fired all the Sunni's from the military and positions of power and replaced them all with his people. Al Malaki - against the advice of the USA - did this. Iraq was seeing real stability until he got into power. He alienated the Sunni - not the USA. Does this mean that history can't look down the past 50 years and not find fault? Of course it can. The USA has dropped the ball big time in that area. But, so has many others including Syria & Iraq itself. No one country except Syria & Iraq can take the lion's share of this crap cake.
when the iraqi forces were defeated in the first half of 2003 , paul bremmer more or less fired the entire iraqi civil service and administritive institutions , the result was a failed state before too long , many within ISIS are members of sadamns former bathist regime , the rise of ISIS is the main cause of the conflict in syria and the current refuge crisis , all this originated with the invasion of iraq
which is why i said that the usa should be taking all the refuges , they created the problem , dick cheney and the ( mostly jewish ) neo con cabal who were at the forefront of that ill conceived endeavour , should be made fill every room of there no doubt substantial pads arounds washington with syrian refuges
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