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Old 09-11-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Vik
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Not quite sure about your reaction; one should not roll the eyes, since Americans supported the mujaheddin in Afghanistan before, "freedom fighters" in Chechnia later, and the latest - those "democratic people of Syria."
We know by now who they all turned out to be, don't we?
It's just now, taking in consideration previous experience, Americans rushed to disengage from such "allies" in Syria faster than before.
Would you care to elaborate with me somewhat. So if I get you right, it is the US that beheads it`s own citizens under the disguise of IS? And the purpose of this is?

You Russians must be getting real paranoid. We all know you will try every trick under the sun, but what really impresses me is that you obviously believe in you own statements..Amazing..
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Vik
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Why can't European nations join together to fight ISIS?
Because Europeans can`t even agree on the smallest issue.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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Would you care to elaborate with me somewhat. So if I get you right, it is the US that beheads it`s own citizens under the disguise of IS?
No. I didn't say that.
What Americans do, is "feeding the monster" while it's growing. Once it's fully grown and gnarls its teeth, that's when they realize what Frankenstein they have created and of course part with him. But by that time it's already too late - he gets the life of his own.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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No. I didn't say that.
What Americans do, is "feeding the monster" while it's growing. Once it's fully grown and gnarls its teeth, that's when they realize what Frankenstein they have created and of course part with him. But by that time it's already too late - he gets the life of his own.
You feed the monster every time you fill your car up with gas. ISIS as well as every other Islamic extremist group are funded by the Saudis. America's folly is the way we let Saudi Arabia get away with terrorism because of our dependence on oil. Energy independence is crucial to undermining Islamic extremism.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Because Europeans can`t even agree on the smallest issue.
The EU looks more and more like a failed experiment everyday.
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Old 09-11-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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You feed the monster every time you fill your car up with gas. ISIS as well as every other Islamic extremist group are funded by the Saudis. America's folly is the way we let Saudi Arabia get away with terrorism because of our dependence on oil. Energy independence is crucial to undermining Islamic extremism.
what has american relations with saudi arabia got to do with the invasion of iraq which in turn led to the syrian war which in turn created this overwhelming refuge crisis which is now a huge burden on europe ?
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:06 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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what has american relations with saudi arabia got to do with the invasion of iraq which in turn led to the syrian war which in turn created this overwhelming refuge crisis which is now a huge burden on europe ?
The foundations of the Syrian civil war were laid long before 2004. The ruling family of Syria are Alewis (Shia) and have had issues with Sunni extremism going back to the 1982 Hama Islamic uprising. All of the conflicts in the region relate back to the struggle between Shia and Sunni, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Look at the violence in Yemen, same situation.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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The foundations of the Syrian civil war were laid long before 2004. The ruling family of Syria are Alewis (Shia) and have had issues with Sunni extremism going back to the 1982 Hama Islamic uprising. All of the conflicts in the region relate back to the struggle between Shia and Sunni, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Look at the violence in Yemen, same situation.
so the spill over of iraqis into syria who were fleeing that war torn country has nothing to do with the multi year syrian war ?

you must think people are idiots
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:51 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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so the spill over of iraqis into syria who were fleeing that war torn country has nothing to do with the multi year syrian war ?

you must think people are idiots
It has nothing to do with the Syrian civil war. The Iraq war sent 1.2 million refugees into Syria. Almost 90% of them moved to the Syrian capital of Damascus. If you have fallowed the war you would know that the conflict started in cities that were predominantly Sunni and conservative. Such as Daraa and Jisr al-Shughur.

Also of the 1.3 million refugees in Syria only about 200,000 still remain, a majority have moved back to Iraq or have moved to other nations.

I know the facts don't suit your agenda, that is something you are just going to have to accept.
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Old 09-12-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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Why can't European nations join together to fight ISIS?
1) The US ignited everything by illegally invading Iraq in 2003 and then supplying arms to "rebels"
2) The US are allies with the most disgusting countries on earth: KSA and Gulf monarchies which have supplies and funded the terrorism all over the world.
3) The US have meddled into the Middle East since....WWII?
4) The US are actually fighting ISIS with their coalition, do you think your country is really fighting?
5) Russia is about to do that, strangely the US are warier of Russian than ISIS (I'm not a Putin fanboy btw)
6) The US are the superpower and the policeman of the world, or they do define themselves as such.
7) NATO (and UN) is an organisation including almost all European countries and US-led, so don't you wonder again why hasn't ISIS be annihilated?
8) If you don't find suspicious the ties between the US and KSA/Gulf monarchies, then there's no need to discuss.
9) If you don't find disgusting how some Western countries (US, France, UK and perhaps others) have funded, supplied and supported ISIS and other Jihadists forces, then I guess there's no need to discuss.

The US never bailed out "us", not in WWI and not even in WWII.
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