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Old 09-25-2015, 03:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Salmonburgher View Post
It was not so clear.
Really?
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Plus, it's always like the US have no gain from NATO and just spend and spend on it a lot to protect us coward Europeans, when it's quite evident that either:
1) The US are completely idiotic in their policy
2) NATO does indeed fulfil an interest for the US
Now, tell me how can you possibly misunderstand that paragraph.

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But, who says that?
Then, why all the whining (not you)?


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Somewhat. But, Europe benefits far more.
Really?
Like?

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Europe currently cannot defend itself.
I see you read the topic, exactly, from whom are we supposed to be unable to defend ourselves?

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Doesn't matter to me. But, I wish the US would spend less. If Europe is dead set on decline, why should the US slow it down?
I don't know, I would like to know why the US have (and are still) supported ISIS or funded the "revolution" in Ukraine for example.
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Asia
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Now, tell me how can you possibly misunderstand that paragraph.
Because your English is quite good, but, still lacking.

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I see you read the topic, exactly, from whom are we supposed to be unable to defend ourselves?
Europe cannot defend itself from any credible threat. Otherwise, why does Europe tolerate NATO?

Now, why don't you tell us how the US benefits so greatly from bankrolling and manning the defense of Europe?
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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France has the nuclear weapon though. I think Britain has a pretty good army. Why do you always think that we need you ?
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:53 AM
 
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France has the nuclear weapon though. I think Britain has a pretty good army. Why do you always think that we need you ?
History.

WWI

WWII

USSR

Falkland Islands

Kosovo

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Old 09-25-2015, 03:54 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Now, why don't you tell us how the US benefits so greatly from bankrolling and manning the defense of Europe?
Two major reasons:

1. Logistics
2. Support in International Organizations
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Old 09-25-2015, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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The Soviets' WMD were non-existent?
25 years have past and the best argument you can come up with are the Commies? Come on, you can do better.
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Old 09-25-2015, 04:01 AM
 
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Because your English is quite good, but, still lacking.
Possible and likely, yet it doesn't explain what you misunderstood.

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Europe cannot defend itself from any credible threat.
Still an unspecified threat so far.
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Otherwise, why does Europe tolerate NATO?
Various reasons:
1) Most European countries have somehow a common ideology and mentality with the US
2) Most European countries are nonetheless allies of the US
3) Most European countries are politically subservient of the US in many ways
4) Most European countries see nonetheless a gain from being into NATO
5) Most European countries are inside NATO since the beginning of the Cold War (bar France)
6) Most European countries consider the US a good for the world

Just these 6 in the top of my mind, let's take some more time and we'll find 20 other probably.
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Now, why don't you tell us how the US benefits so greatly from bankrolling and manning the defense of Europe?
Perhaps the US benefit from having the most important economic centre of the world as an ally?
Perhaps the US benefit from having Europe as an economical and military partner?
Perhaps the US benefit from having Europe on their side rather than on Russia/Iran/name other country
Perhaps the US have always wanted to have Europe firmly in their sphere of influence?
Perhaps the US benefit from somehow "leading" one of the most important rival they could have?
Perhaps the US benefit(ed) from having a stable Europe?
Perhaps the US benefit from having bases all over Europe thus constituting an advanced defensive line rather than solely rely on their territory?
Perhaps the US benefit from having the most advanced armies (after or like the US) in the world as allies?
Perhaps the US benefit from holding tight the countries constituting the core (and the birthplace) of their ideology?
Perhaps the US benefit from having Europe as an ally rather than a rival?
Perhaps the US benefit from trading?
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Old 09-25-2015, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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History.

WWI

WWII

USSR

Falkland Islands

Kosovo


You guys only come because of economic interests, not for a real reason. WWII became an interest once Pearl Habour happened, right ?
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Old 09-25-2015, 06:59 AM
 
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25 years have past and the best argument you can come up with are the Commies? Come on, you can do better.
Russians.

What, you want to discount the 50 years the US bankrolled and manned the defense of Europe?

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Old 09-25-2015, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Asia
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You guys only come because of economic interests, not for a real reason. WWII became an interest once Pearl Habour happened, right ?
Europe is not interested in economics?



No. The US was of course interested in helping Europe before Pearl Harbor. And we did so, economically (and you have never repaid us).

Pearl Harbor was the event that got us in to WWII militarily.
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