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I know off the top that a refugee stabbed and killed two Swedes at an IKEA store in Sweden in August, another Swede was stabbed in November, lithuanian migrant student was stabbed and killed by an ME migrant a few weeks ago and now an asylum worker has been stabbed and also killed by another 'youth' refugee.
That's a notable stat spike right there.
Alright. So compared to the number of migrants entering Sweden, what is the % of violent migrants vs non-violent migrants getting into the country?
I know off the top that a refugee stabbed and killed two Swedes at an IKEA store in Sweden in August, another Swede was stabbed in November, lithuanian migrant student was stabbed and killed by an ME migrant a few weeks ago and now an asylum worker has been stabbed and also killed by another 'youth' refugee.
That's a notable stat spike right there.
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We don't know because Sweden does not release the ethnicities.
I think the alarming thing is that these stabbings seem to come from a collective hatred of non-muslims and a collective denigration of women.
This is a huge issue. Thousands of Jews have vacated France and Europe and in part because of rising anti-semitism.
Anyone who thinks this issue is small has not yet grasped the grand perspective.
So, four stabbings across two countries over six months is, in your opinion, 'a notable stat spike' - how do you square that with the picture of very widespread violence you are trying to paint? I mean, the only situation in which this can represent a statistically significant spike is one with an extremely low underlying rate.
During the same period, about 300 people were murdered in Pennsylvania, which has about the same population as Lithuania and Sweden combined - and a murder rate roughly the same as the US average:
Of course, you're free to highlight whatever information you want to. But other people are also free to draw conclusions about you based on the choices you make, and to decide whether they think you are mainly worried about the victims of crime, or looking for an opportunity to demonise the wider groups from which certain perpetrators come...
We don't know because Sweden does not release the ethnicities.
Ooooh, I see.
"Though the ethnicity in this case is not being divulged it's clear because it was one of the 'youths' housed at the center."
We can't go assuming things to make our calculations, that would wrong, right? Not fair at all.
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Originally Posted by Aerwen
I think the alarming thing is that these stabbings seem to come from a collective hatred of non-muslims and a collective denigration of women.
This is a huge issue. Thousands of Jews have vacated France and Europe and in part because of rising anti-semitism.
Anyone who thinks this issue is small has not yet grasped the grand perspective.
This is a huge issue but not for the reasons you're thinking about.
And this hatred of non-muslims and denigration of women comes from a number far too low to ring the alarm and shut the door to everyone.
We do not condone the actions of this minority of radicals, just like nobody condones any criminal. But nobody's demonizing white people for the crimes of a small percentage, so why are we doing that for anyone else? And for refugees especifically.
Both Ukbagabir and Mahari are Christian, Eva Morén, assistant prosecutor for the Västmanland District Court, told The Washington Post in a phone interview.
Ukbagabir and Mahari are the two Eritrean asylum seekers involved - the former was the attacker, the latter a person he brought along who seemingly didn't know what was going to happen.
So, out of the four incidents Aerwen cites in support of the existence of a wave of violence motivated by 'a collective hatred of non-muslims', turns out at least one was committed by...a non-Muslim...
So, four stabbings across two countries over six months is, in your opinion, 'a notable stat spike' - how do you square that with the picture of very widespread violence you are trying to paint? I mean, the only situation in which this can represent a statistically significant spike is one with an extremely low underlying rate.
During the same period, about 300 people were murdered in Pennsylvania, which has about the same population as Lithuania and Sweden combined - and a murder rate roughly the same as the US average:
Of course, you're free to highlight whatever information you want to. But other people are also free to draw conclusions about you based on the choices you make, and to decide whether they think you are mainly worried about the victims of crime, or looking for an opportunity to demonise the wider groups from which certain perpetrators come...
So now crime ridden Pennsylvania stands as the bar for Sweden to measure against?
The migrants are allowed in as a group because they are in crisis...right? If it were a matter of allowing in peoples who are destitute and in need of shelter and food then there would be takers from the world over. NO?
Since these thousands of young men are allowed in because they are from a specific subset, a specific group in crisis, then it calls to reason that their behavior would fall under scrutiny.
The question is not 'how many murders have they committed?' but 'why have they committed murder at all?'
In all cases the murders seem related to in bred hatred of women and non-muslims.
I'm hoping tomorrow the next few days we will not hear of another murder...against a jew, or a gang rape against a young girl, or the stabbing in the back of a boy.
So now crime ridden Pennsylvania stands as the bar for Sweden to measure against?
The migrants are allowed in as a group because they are in crisis...right? If it were a matter of allowing in peoples who are destitute and in need of shelter and food then there would be takers from the world over. NO?
Since these thousands of young men are allowed in because they are from a specific subset, a specific group in crisis, then it calls to reason that their behavior would fall under scrutiny.
The question is not 'how many murders have they committed?' but 'why have they committed murder at all?'
In all cases the murders seem related to in bred hatred of women and non-muslims.
I'm hoping tomorrow the next few days we will not hear of another murder...against a jew, or a gang rape against a young girl, or the stabbing in the back of a boy.
So you're saying that an Eritrean Christian murdered two Swedes, one male and one female, because he was upset that they are not Muslim and one was a woman? I'm just struggling to figure out how that works...
Eritreans have been successfully have been successfully claiming asylum in Europe for some time, not as 'migrants [who] are allowed in as a group because they are in crisis', but as people who have left one of the most violently repressive countries in the world:
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