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The deal between Turkey and EU is not a deal at all.
But of course both sides will try to sell this to their people as a victory
Ultimate solution would be to deport these people to their countries if things calm a bit
Of course I agree with deporting. But what happens when the rapefugee destroys his passport and you don't know where he is from? Then his government refuses to take him back....?
Germany and Sweden invited the migrants, therefore they are responsible for them.
Even now, they are still blaming other EU partners, saying they did not do enough. This behavior isn't going to generate European solidarity. Yes, other countries will pick up some of the costs (and migrants), but the problem lies with Germany and its incoherent/incompetent leadership. EU countries are bound by treaties to accept asylum seekers, but these treaties need to be amended to specify reasonable quotas for refugees. EU isn't going to accept the rest of the world to move in.
Until Greece has managed to get its hotspots going? Seriously? They have been promising to get this done for months. There is no reason to believe that the Greeks will actually start doing what they are supposed to do, in other words, protecting the Greek Turkish border which also happens to be the EU Turkish border. It is a good thing that Croatia and other Balkan countries are closing their borders.
The Greeks want to but simply can't as they have several problems to solve and can't take care of all of them. They have to deal with an internal deep economical crisis already with the country being on the verge of bankruptcy and having a hard time to find funds to put the hotspots together in quick time.
This is why the EU should get it done. The fact that countries are closing their borders isn't positive in any way, they are just indirectly putting further pressure on Greece. The truth, though, is there's no optimal solution in the meantime to fully take care of the situation.
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Originally Posted by Jimmyp25
Of course I agree with deporting. But what happens when the rapefugee destroys his passport and you don't know where he is from? Then his government refuses to take him back....?
Now, i'm very tempted to put you on my ignore list.
First of all, why would someone living in Texas even care?
Second, you do know that asylum seekers are mostly made up of ordinary families trying to escape either an extremely difficult economical situation, a civil war or often ruthless dictatorships?
Third, any country is obliged to take in anyone whose application for refugee status is succesful, so refugees can't be deported, it's illegal economic migrants that should
Fourth, have you ever tried put yourself in these refugees (or even economical migrants) shoes? Until Syrian and Iraqi Civil War broke out, few people were coming from the Middle East as the least wealthy couldn't afford the trip and both middle and upper classes (which are the ones currently emigrating) had no interest fleeing the country but now they are at a constant risk of facing attacks simply because of their religion or political views, having properties destroyed, all for which they have worked in years going up in flames, ecc. What would you do?
Now, i'm very tempted to put you on my ignore list.
First of all, why would someone living in Texas even care?
Second, you do know that asylum seekers are mostly made up of ordinary families trying to escape either an extremely difficult economical situation, a civil war or often ruthless dictatorships?
Third, any country is obliged to take in anyone whose application for refugee status is succesful, so refugees can't be deported, it's illegal economic migrants that should
Fourth, have you ever tried put yourself in these refugees (or even economical migrants) shoes? Until Syrian and Iraqi Civil War broke out, few people were coming from the Middle East as the least wealthy couldn't afford the trip and both middle and upper classes (which are the ones currently emigrating) had no interest fleeing the country but now they are at a constant risk of facing attacks simply because of their religion or political views, having properties destroyed, all for which they have worked in years going up in flames, ecc. What would you do?
Please , by all means . Block me. If that is the adult thing to do when you disagree with someone. Then all the power to you.
First, I have family in Europe, and frequently visit Europe. This crisis effects the whole world. Second, I am unsure where you get your information, but According to the UN 1 and 130 migrants are/were actually a refugee.
I understand your perspective, but lets be real. You can't help everyone. Theres already high unemployment and debt . The majority of the people that arrive will never get into the workforce and will just live off the socialist governments for the reminder of their lives. There was a report on a refugee that came to europe. Shopped around 5 countries that he arrived it . He did not like Italy, France, Germany, or Denmark, so he finally decided to claim refugee in sweden because it pays the most.
Please , by all means . Block me. If that is the adult thing to do when you disagree with someone. Then all the power to you.
First, I have family in Europe, and frequently visit Europe. This crisis effects the whole world. Second, I am unsure where you get your information, but According to the UN 1 and 130 migrants are/were actually a refugee.
I understand your perspective, but lets be real. You can't help everyone. Theres already high unemployment and debt . The majority of the people that arrive will never get into the workforce and will just live off the socialist governments for the reminder of their lives. There was a report on a refugee that came to europe. Shopped around 5 countries that he arrived it . He did not like Italy, France, Germany, or Denmark, so he finally decided to claim refugee in sweden because it pays the most.
I have no problem with you stating your ideas but i have a problem with you using terms such as rapefugee and expressing subtly racism because if that doesn't touch it's a behaviour i can't stand.
I won't block because i think it helps to see different point of views but please never use such terms anymore. Anyway, you are talking to a local which lives the situation day by day and when i tell you that they find a way to integrate into the workforce, i'm not kidding. They don't just take up the work of other citizens but usually fill works that a native wouldn't want to practice (such as agricultural worker, bricklayer, carpenter, ecc.) as well as creating jobs that wouldn't have existed otherwise (think of ethnic shops, restaurants, ecc.)
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