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I think our country handles it completely the wrong way. To other people it might sound great that it is almost legal in the NL but the whole "gedogen" policy still causes a lot of trouble for a lot of people.
"Gedogen" doesn't mean it's legal, it means it's tolerated but still officially illegal. Because of this the whole weed industry is still in hands of criminal organisations and the coffeeshops are still forced to do business with criminals to buy their weed.
A lot of money goes around in the weed business and from time to time there is a kind of a "war" between crime groups, fighting over power in the "weed world". That goes with executions in the streets (mostly in Amsterdam and Rotterdam), car bombs and even bombings of coffeeshops, as we've seen in Eindhoven years ago.
All this is completely unnecessary because when it would be completely legalized, the shops could have plantations and grow big amounts to sell. Or farmers could switch to growing Marihuana and that way have more income and more different crops to grow. Also it could be taxed (the shops are taxed but not the illegal growers). And crime groups would loose their grip on the weed busines.
I'm not a weed smoker btw, but I find it a scandal that our government still keeps this stuff in the underworld.
I'm sure they do, but the biggest part of the weed business is home grown "Nederwiet" which is stronger than most eastern substances like Ketama, Nepal, Afgan etc. The Nederwiet is where all the crime is about.
The best is lebanon..no discussion...hasch.
That weed is also grown here..larger quantities as weather is better...etc...but..those seeds are modified genetically and are dangerous. Hasch..even bad one..is healthier.
No need for cafes here..we have clubs...thousands of them.
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I think most of the Dutch weed sold in the coffeeshops is cultivated locally. Forget any African or Asian field grown weed. The dutch have become experts at it in controlled indoor environments - finally tuning strains and hybrids over decades and growing generations to get varieties with different tastes, aromas, and impact. I've had my share of American weed over the decades - absolutely nothing compares to Dutch herb.
But anyways Dutch drug laws are full of contradictions - easily obtained from coffeshops (although highly regulated), at the same time coffeeshops must often break the law to obtain weed to provide to it's customers. And they are just strange laws - while you can puff away on cannabis in a coffeeshop, it's against the law to smoke tobacco in a coffeshop (you have to have a separate room). Also they are recently closing coffeeshops to tourists in border towns to prevent the flood of, for instance, German dopers over the border every weekend.
Now where is that elderly moderator from Utah that years ago gave me an infraction for daring to mention weed in a thread? How times change. Now mods join the discussion!
if you get caught with ANY illegal drug, including weed, in Germany, you'll lose your drivers license for a loooooooooong time and it is incredibly difficult and expensive to get it back. It takes years and pee tests and behavioral tests and doctors exams and evaluations and costs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Even if they catch you with weed and you pass a blood test. Just the fact that you possess drugs is enough to make you lose your license, even if you can prove you don't consume it.
if you get caught with ANY illegal drug, including weed, in Germany, you'll lose your drivers license for a loooooooooong time and it is incredibly difficult and expensive to get it back. It takes years and pee tests and behavioral tests and doctors exams and evaluations and costs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Even if they catch you with weed and you pass a blood test. Just the fact that you possess drugs is enough to make you lose your license, even if you can prove you don't consume it.
But they have good public transportation ...
That was true, has changed a bit depending on state and judge. The legalisation movement is getting stronger. Normally (well maybe not in Bavaria) if you are not caught driving you won't lose your license.
Lot's of people smoke the herb, head and growshops are common. Possession of small amounts other than driving is no biggie. Drug tests are almost unheard of in the job market. Several of my friends and coworkers grow a plant or two. Medical is starting to happen, I think recreational will become legal eventually
That was true, has changed a bit depending on state and judge. The legalisation movement is getting stronger. Normally (well maybe not in Bavaria) if you are not caught driving you won't lose your license.
Lot's of people smoke the herb, head and growshops are common. Possession of small amounts other than driving is no biggie. Drug tests are almost unheard of in the job market. Several of my friends and coworkers grow a plant or two. Medical is starting to happen, I think recreational will become legal eventually
Well, my ex lost his license two years ago because he drove around with "stuff" in his car. He sold his car because he doesn't think he'll ever get a license again. It is his 2nd time getting caught which means it is even more difficult to convince the government that you have "changed" to a mature and good citizen. Neither time was he smoking, he was in possession.
There are a lot of conflicting rulings and interpretations at the moment.
There are new testing methods and discussion regarding allowed amounts of thc....
Don't drive high, don't look like a stereotypical stoner, be over 40 ;-) drive a car that does not look like a pimpmobile (lowered 3er or 5er BMW ��) not likely to have a problem.
I think most of the Dutch weed sold in the coffeeshops is cultivated locally. Forget any African or Asian field grown weed. The dutch have become experts at it in controlled indoor environments - finally tuning strains and hybrids over decades and growing generations to get varieties with different tastes, aromas, and impact. I've had my share of American weed over the decades - absolutely nothing compares to Dutch herb.
But anyways Dutch drug laws are full of contradictions - easily obtained from coffeshops (although highly regulated), at the same time coffeeshops must often break the law to obtain weed to provide to it's customers. And they are just strange laws - while you can puff away on cannabis in a coffeeshop, it's against the law to smoke tobacco in a coffeshop (you have to have a separate room). Also they are recently closing coffeeshops to tourists in border towns to prevent the flood of, for instance, German dopers over the border every weekend.
Now where is that elderly moderator from Utah that years ago gave me an infraction for daring to mention weed in a thread? How times change. Now mods join the discussion!
Yes the Dutch weed is home grown and is very strong. It is grown on the attics houses under highly cultivated conditions. Special irrigation systems, high power lamps, genetically modified seeds etc. There's nothing natural in it anymore, and i've heard several times that its became so strong that it can barely be seen as a "soft drug" nowadays.
Our laws are crazy to say the least. It only causes a lot of trouble. Shops are allowed to sell but people are not allowed to grow large amounts WTF?? than how are they supposed to get their product in a legal way?
Because of this, people grow illegally on the attic of normal houses, but to not get caught they "steel" the power they need by by- passing the electrical meter.
Also the high power gear they use causes for a lot of fires in buildings due to lack of good ventilation.
During the housing crisis a lot of empty houses where illegally used by criminals (and still) for growing weed, without the owners knowing it. This were houses that were rented by the owners through agencies because they couldn't sell it.
Due to the privacy laws the owners couldn't enter their own houses, and after months when tenants left they found their houses ruined.
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