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Old 06-09-2016, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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depending on where you're from (poorer country) the second one is kind of true. The first one is categorically false.
Your implication is that American men's personalities are so worthless that the only way they can possibly attract a foreign woman is with their money or Green Card, that no woman would love them for their own sake No that I actually believe that.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:06 AM
 
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One thing I hate about Americans (and I mean, really hate to the extend of wanting to slap anyone who says or writes this thing) is the following opinions that seems to be very widespread among them:

1. That foreign women from all non-US countries would do anything (anything usually means sex) in order to get a Green Card and move to the USA.
2. That any foreign woman who is romantically involved with an American man is doing it only because of Green Card/citizenship or else because of this American's money.

As a woman, and a woman who has zero interest in obtaining a Green Card, much less by trading it for sex, I find these opinions pretty disgusting.
Agree, not all. However, as a US Navy sailor on a ship that visited 20 different countries, we saw these things first hand in some countries. Ukraine, Romania, and a few other countries had women who actively sought out American sailors in the hopes of marriage to escape the life in their country. This was back in the 90s and it wasn't virtually all women there. It happened often enough that we had to be on alert.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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And since Germans invested in Russia so much ( I am not talking in purely financial terms here) - these ties couldn't disappear of course.


Yes, it was only a matter of time when these ties would resurface again. And even if Merkel ( or any other German leader) would like to comply with American policies, it will not be necessarily widely supported by German population in general, starting from German business owners.
You can see here the signs of German discontent

When Germans think that the US is getting out of hands with their push for global dominance - yes, they will turn to Russia as a force capable to counter-balance this push.
And I see the French are not tagging far behind in this respect;
The end of the Cold War opened up a posibility-realignments between countries.

And the more the U.S. Gov't pushes for global dominance, the more countervailing alliances-push back-we should anticipate.
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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Agree, not all. However, as a US Navy sailor on a ship that visited 20 different countries, we saw these things first hand in some countries. Ukraine, Romania, and a few other countries had women who actively sought out American sailors in the hopes of marriage to escape the life in their country. This was back in the 90s and it wasn't virtually all women there. It happened often enough that we had to be on alert.
Well, if you look at American dating sites, the "art of dating" is brought practically to a scientific level.
And someone who is ranked # 10 on a scale 1 to 10 in looks, has really slim chance of hooking up with someone ranking #1 or 2 in terms of looks.
Soooo...))))))
If you are ranked number 8 or 9 in these terms, and you pick someone 2 or 3 on foreign shores, what makes you think that the laws of mutual attraction are somewhat different across the globe?
Your American citizenship may be?
And herein I'd think lies the source of deceit for the most part.)))
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:41 PM
 
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I'm an American in Europe. In every country I have visited, the customer service is much worse than in the US. Don't take it personally. That's just how it is here.
I found customer service in Europe far superior to US, simply because Europeans not as ignorant, lazy and rude as average American.
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:46 PM
 
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I found customer service in Europe far superior to US, simply because Europeans not as ignorant, lazy and rude as average American.
I would say you have a highly unusual opinion, then.

It's quite well known, and pretty universally accepted, that customer service in Europe tends to be more curt, and less friendly, than in the U.S.

And, to take it further, it's quite well known, and pretty universally accepted, that countries like Japan have even better customer service than the U.S.
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:39 PM
 
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One thing I hate about Americans (and I mean, really hate to the extend of wanting to slap anyone who says or writes this thing) is the following opinions that seems to be very widespread among them:

1. That foreign women from all non-US countries would do anything (anything usually means sex) in order to get a Green Card and move to the USA.
2. That any foreign woman who is romantically involved with an American man is doing it only because of Green Card/citizenship or else because of this American's money.

As a woman, and a woman who has zero interest in obtaining a Green Card, much less by trading it for sex, I find these opinions pretty disgusting.
Well then suggest you get out and travel around the world, because unlike your good self there are plenty of women from all over the world who will use what they've got to get what they want (to the USA).


Now if you are a female from one of the Northern European nations and or some where else but have money (your family's and or your own), a good education, status, etc... Then no you don't need an American male to get you into the USA. Such women are in short supply in many parts of the world, especially out side of say Western Europe and a few other places.


Eastern Europe including Poland, Russia and the former Soviet Union, South America, Asia, etc... all are places well known for females almost mercenary in their plans to find and marry an American man. If a girl/woman in certain countries brings home an American to "meet the family" you can almost hear the gears turning. In certain Asian and other countries higher ups in the military have to sit down sailors, soldiers, etc.. to expressly and explicitly warn them in great detail.


Are all like this? No, obviously not. But it happens enough that men are wise to keep their guard up. There are plenty of horror stories posted online.
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Old 06-11-2016, 03:03 AM
 
Location: Hamburg, Deutschland
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Well, if you look at American dating sites, the "art of dating" is brought practically to a scientific level.
And someone who is ranked # 10 on a scale 1 to 10 in looks, has really slim chance of hooking up with someone ranking #1 or 2 in terms of looks.
Soooo...))))))
If you are ranked number 8 or 9 in these terms, and you pick someone 2 or 3 on foreign shores, what makes you think that the laws of mutual attraction are somewhat different across the globe?
Your American citizenship may be?
And herein I'd think lies the source of deceit for the most part.)))
I find that entire classification of men and women into 2s, 3s, nines or tens (which was also invented in the US) disgusting all by itself. Putting male and female qualities into numbers like that is somehow dehumanizing. What happened to the words "beautiful", "striking" etc? But then I find the entire modern American culture to be dehumanizing and sociopathic.

Erasure, I like your latest status by the way I was born in Mordor as well.
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Old 06-11-2016, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I found customer service in Europe far superior to US, simply because Europeans not as ignorant, lazy and rude as average American.
I feel you're judging Americans based off of nothing. Go to a restaurant here, the waiters/waitresses are neither ignorant, lazy, or rude
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Old 06-11-2016, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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One thing I hate about Americans (and I mean, really hate to the extend of wanting to slap anyone who says or writes this thing) is the following opinions that seems to be very widespread among them:

1. That foreign women from all non-US countries would do anything (anything usually means sex) in order to get a Green Card and move to the USA.
2. That any foreign woman who is romantically involved with an American man is doing it only because of Green Card/citizenship or else because of this American's money.

As a woman, and a woman who has zero interest in obtaining a Green Card, much less by trading it for sex, I find these opinions pretty disgusting.
I can't speak as an American because i'm not but in Italy there's a convinction that Eastern European women have/had the tendency to take advantage of mostly older men (usually either divorced or widowed and at least middle aged) to get Italian citizenship, give a helping hand to their family back in their home country or settle them in Italy and to have a higher quality of life.

Most of the time, that isn't what happens but Eastern European women are indeed much more likely to hold this kind of behaviour

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you're trying to explain why the Germans supported the Nazis (their conservative past) but that doesn't justify what they did, power belongs to those who convince others they have it. If the people don't like their government, there is little the government can do to fight this but change.
The Nazis weren't as conservative as it's often told. They were socially conservative but they were economically almost as left wing as the socialists and communists. They nationalized the largest factories and banks, started the welfare system, they raised public spending

Were they exist nowadays, they would be placed as an extreme social right party. Kinda like the revolutionary and more extreme brother of parties such as Front National, Fratelli d'Italia, FPO, ecc.

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Sounds like they(the German people) were pretty stupid not knowing who they were electing. The 30 mil deaths were from starvation(on top of the 50 mil resulted from the war).
Of course they were but you must think that they were coming from the largest economical crisis that's ever been experienced and they searched for the easy way out. The traditional parties suffered a crisis and both the Nationalsocialists and the Communist were slowly rising. The difference between the two was that while the former received support from the right, the Communist and the Socialdemocrats were split as well as the former receiving the support of the upper classes which the latter couldn't (mostly because their program was unclear at first)

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I take back the Islam comment, I only meant the members of the religion aren't all bad. the actual teachings are
The teachings of any religions are but it's the way these teachings are interpretated by a part of the Islamic community which is wrong and conflicts with the West and any kind of modern society.

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the people are the problem. They demand and easy way out an don't care to educate themselves. This is true for every country but still, in Germany's case it wasn't Hitler or any high ranking member of the Nazi party that caused WWII, it was the people, it was their fault and no excuse can make up for what they did.
It isn't exclusively the people's fault, people were misled by the medias just like they can be now. While propaganda was much more noticeable in the past, now it's mostly more subtle and pertains to most sides in the camp although it's usually right wing leaning due to most medias being controlled by the right wing.

The way Trump seems to have found a working formula to get himself in the media is serving as a boost for his chances, the medias of both left and right are indirectly helping him even if they mostly lean against him. That shows that him, having worked in the medias and being part of them for years knows how to manipulate them.

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