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In the same year, it is ranked the most livable city in France.
Lyon is also very interesting...
Ranked best European city for a weekend in 2015 or 2016. It's an interesting city with good history, food, safe but unfortunately i m not sure there is a lot of hype about it
Lyon is also very interesting...
Ranked best European city for a weekend in 2015 or 2016. It's an interesting city with good history, food, safe but unfortunately i m not sure there is a lot of hype about it
Lyon is well-known to folks interested in all aspects of food -- 'foodies'.
And I agree. Great food city (even the random, local cafe eatery) with a lot of history and beauty in its central historic area...and the food markets!
But it is difficult for the average overseas tourist (American or otherwise) to get to - no direct flights, expensive and long train ride from Paris, or need to rent a car.
Lyon is well-known to folks interested in all aspects of food -- 'foodies'.
And I agree. Great food city (even the random, local cafe eatery) with a lot of history and beauty in its central historic area...and the food markets!
But it is difficult for the average overseas tourist (American or otherwise) to get to - no direct flights, expensive and long train ride from Paris, or need to rent a car.
you call a 2 hour train ride a long train ride ?
In any case tourism has risen exponentially there in the last 15 years.
Just feeling curious and wondering what cities in Europe are trending right now. Places with a good buzz and people want to travel to or live in.
In the recent past--maybe still now--we've had Prague, Barcelona, Helsinki, Tallinn, Dublin, and some others.
Any opinions on this?
Split, Croatia? Budapest, Hungary? Berlin? Eastern Europe seems to be on the upswing, especially among the young, value-conscious or history buffs.
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you call a 2 hour train ride a long train ride ?
In any case tourism has risen exponentially there in the last 15 years.
Yes. It felt longer than 2 hours to me. And I thought expensive for what you got, compared to rail travel elsewhere in the Continent. Regardless, not conducive to being a day-trip from Paris, which would limit it for many tourists flying direct to Paris with the intention of touring mostly Paris.
But yes, I can believe that tourism is increasing there. It has IMO a nicer, more laid-back ambiance, with superior food overall, than Paris. Too bad so many places in Paris now serve inferior substitute ingredients (e.g. oil/shortening or margarine (?) instead of high-quality butter in pastries) in so many of its commercial establishments - ones dominant in touristed areas (and sometimes even non-touristed areas).
Split, Croatia? Budapest, Hungary? Berlin? Eastern Europe seems to be on the upswing, especially among the young, value-conscious or history buffs.
Yes. It felt longer than 2 hours to me. And I thought expensive for what you got, compared to rail travel elsewhere in the Continent. Regardless, not conducive to being a day-trip from Paris, which would limit it for many tourists flying direct to Paris with the intention of touring mostly Paris.
But yes, I can believe that tourism is increasing there. It has IMO a nicer, more laid-back ambiance, with superior food overall, than Paris. Too bad so many places in Paris now serve inferior substitute ingredients (e.g. oil/shortening or margarine (?) instead of high-quality butter in pastries) in so many of its commercial establishments - ones dominant in touristed areas (and sometimes even non-touristed areas).
It's actually very easy...Once you are in Les Halles with RER b, you survived the hardest part IMO. Then it's just Metro 14 or RER d until Gare de Lyon (yuk, this one is the worst train of France). Then take your TGV. Usually it's Duplex Tgv for Lyon, I don't like them because you have not a lot of space when you take a lot of stuffs with you. At least they are fast.
The problem with SNCF is that they use yield management for tarifications and outside french people, I don't even know how it is possible for a non french to buy a ticket with a reduction you could have. It means that on Sunday afternoon you pay 80 euros one way while Monday noon wil be 35 euros. If you buy a Prem's ticket (long time before) prices can be ridiculous . I guess a lot of foreigners buy the maximum price possible for a ticket...shame on SNCF.
Lyon also has an international airport if you want to skip Paris.
Split, Croatia? Budapest, Hungary? Berlin? Eastern Europe seems to be on the upswing, especially among the young, value-conscious or history buffs.
Yes. It felt longer than 2 hours to me. And I thought expensive for what you got, compared to rail travel elsewhere in the Continent. Regardless, not conducive to being a day-trip from Paris, which would limit it for many tourists flying direct to Paris with the intention of touring mostly Paris.
But yes, I can believe that tourism is increasing there. It has IMO a nicer, more laid-back ambiance, with superior food overall, than Paris. Too bad so many places in Paris now serve inferior substitute ingredients (e.g. oil/shortening or margarine (?) instead of high-quality butter in pastries) in so many of its commercial establishments - ones dominant in touristed areas (and sometimes even non-touristed areas).
I don't think a day trip is worth it considering the distance, time and things to see. It would make more sense to do Paris -> Lyon -> Alps -> South -> Atlantic -> Britanny -> Paris or something.
I'd consider a day trip for places really close to Paris.
Also, Berlin has been trendy for something like 25 years now. I thought trendy meant something that people had found out about recently.
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