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Old 10-16-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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France sees Eurozone as single

In that case, the Eurozone will be more competitive in the world and will be the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world!

Nominal GDP (Top 10): United States, Eurozone, China, Japan, United Kingdom, India, Brazil, Canada, Russia, South Korea
GDP (PPP) (Top 10): China, United States, Eurozone, India, Japan, Russia, Indonesia, Brazil, United Kingdom, Mexico
LOL. I have an easy test. Since Germany is the leading economic powerhouse of the EU, since Switzerland and Austria, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Liechtenstein are among the highest per capita GDP on the Continent and understand or speak German, I propose that EU institutions and law of this new country be based on Germany with German the national language of the EU.

Try to get France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Scandinavia to get on board with that...they won't and this is why the Eurozone will remain a loose confederation.
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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LOL. I have an easy test. Since Germany is the leading economic powerhouse of the EU, since Switzerland and Austria, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Liechtenstein are among the highest per capita GDP on the Continent and understand or speak German, I propose that EU institutions and law of this new country be based on Germany with German the national language of the EU.

Try to get France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and Scandinavia to get on board with that...they won't and this is why the Eurozone will remain a loose confederation.
Why would they do such a thing to themselves as to adopt German language and follow German laws? What benefits would it bring them? Few students in Europe chose to learn German. The reality is that Spanish is much closer to become the US's lingua franca than German will ever be the EU's official language.
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:41 PM
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doesn't the US work just like that? with a monetary union, but each state has their own finances (state can be bankrupt even).

It CAN work, but as I said, it is the "national pride" that gets in the way. Napoleon was close to achieving that but the Britain sabotaged it like it is any of its business. Now it is mostly impossible when people think they have some pride in belonging to a tiny country that can't even protect itself, or even have the market for any business to thrive.
Its more complex than what you describe. The EU could setup a nation like the united states in theory.

Napoleon built an empire on piles of Prussian corpses. Installing his brother as emperors didn't exactly go over well in spain and Holland. This is pretty different from the current French proposal. I'm pretty sure Russia was equally against Napoleon's vision of Europe as much as Britain was.
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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except they were not treated fairly and equally, and that's the problem. Which of those colonies were treated just like the white people in the European country? None. Did the UK treat India well? Did France treat Algeria fairly? No. Otherwise I don't see the harm of being governed by a different ethnicity. For example, French Guyana has no interest in being independent. It is treated like a French region now without being opressed, with the same rights.

Plus, you can't have a country of 100% same ethnicity. Even Slovenia with 2M people have a bunch of different ethnicities.

Again it is narrow minded if not stupid to want to have "our own country" based on ethnicity. How many French people are purely French, instead of from neigbouring countries, or mixed? They think they are French because they are made French by the French institutions.
Colonies could have fought for equal rights rather than independence. Are indigenous people in independent the Americas no longer discriminated against now as they were in colonial times? have Africans been less struck by misery and inequalities since they've been independent? Just take a look at the news, they are ready to risk their lives in unspeakable trips to reach their old master's land.

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French Guyana has no interest in being independent.
Just look up Christine Taubira, she once joined forces with an pro-independence Guyanese party.

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They think they are French because they are made French by the French institutions
If you believe just being french-born qualifies you to be regarded as fully french by the locals, then clearly you don't know french society.

Do you think all EU members are treated equally? How is then that while some countries were sinking, Germany was prosperous as never before? Can all countries maintain a positive trade balance?
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Old 10-16-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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Its more complex than what you describe. The EU could setup a nation like the united states in theory.

Napoleon built an empire on piles of Prussian corpses. Installing his brother as emperors didn't exactly go over well in spain and Holland. This is pretty different from the current French proposal. I'm pretty sure Russia was equally against Napoleon's vision of Europe as much as Britain was.
That is not a viable project.
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Old 10-16-2017, 06:07 PM
 
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:30 AM
 
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Only turning the Eurozone and not the entire EU into a single country, bigger countries like Germany and France have options of dividing themselves into provinces (first sub-national entity) when they are admitted...

Sovereign country : United European Federation
Head of State : elected
Head of Government : elected (can be same or different from the Head of State)
Official Languages : English / French / Germany
Administrative capital : Brussels
Financial capital : Frankfurt
Currency : Euro (duh...)
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:00 AM
 
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Only turning the Eurozone and not the entire EU into a single country, bigger countries like Germany and France have options of dividing themselves into provinces (first sub-national entity) when they are admitted...

Sovereign country : United European Federation
Head of State : elected
Head of Government : elected (can be same or different from the Head of State)
Official Languages : English / French / Germany
Administrative capital : Brussels
Financial capital : Frankfurt
Currency : Euro (duh...)
sorry, English won't be an official language since none of the countries speak it as an official language. Rather, it will be a good opportunity to boost the importance of French and German (at the cost of English, which is great). If the Scandinavian countries are so eager to speak English, they can leave and join whatever America has.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:05 AM
 
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Just look up Christine Taubira, she once joined forces with an pro-independence Guyanese party.

Do you think all EU members are treated equally? How is then that while some countries were sinking, Germany was prosperous as never before? Can all countries maintain a positive trade balance?
70%+ French Guyana rejected the idea of independence because their lives will be much, much worse off. There is a reason the road is the best in French Guyana across South America.

There is nothing unfair about Germany having the largest trade balance. Being able to produce highly desired products is Germany's strength. If you don't have a strength like that, you can't complain not being able to export because it is your fault. Other countries should strive to create their own competitive advantage, not necessarily in trade surplus, in banking, tourism, cultural offering, anything. I am sure in the US some states are able to export a lot more than others.
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Old 10-17-2017, 01:13 AM
 
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sorry, English won't be an official language since none of the countries speak it as an official language. Rather, it will be a good opportunity to boost the importance of French and German (at the cost of English, which is great). If the Scandinavian countries are so eager to speak English, they can leave and join whatever America has.
European Commission - PRESS RELEASES - Press release - Frequently asked questions on languages in Europe
The European Commission conducts its internal business in three ‘procedural’ languages — English, French and German.
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