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Old 07-30-2022, 08:59 AM
 
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Bloody cynicism and orwellian language of the Russian nazis almost defies imagination. How this depository for human depravity could be born and sustained in the 21st century? Russian nazis at UK embassy are not like rank & file zombified Russian drunks rolling in their vomit while pondering what kind of Ukrainians and how many must die. Those are Russian officials calling for war crimes shortly after the Russians commited one in Olenivka.

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Old 07-30-2022, 03:54 PM
 
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The latest news says, that each side is accusing the other, but there is no proof either way. The Ukrainians say, Russia bombed the building to hide atrocities perpetrated on prisoners there. But Ukraine can't prove its claims, and Russia has offered no proof of its claims that Ukraine bombed its own, either.


For anyone who wants to read about it, here's a NYTimes article. Sorry if you hit a paywall.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/29/w...ssia-azov.html

Russians have invited UN and Red Cross to examine the bombed prison site, so let's see what outcome will be.

Sorry, Russian only:

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/stat...92684895096843

"The Russian Federation, in the interests of investigating the attack on the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka in the DPR, invited experts from the UN and the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Russian Defense Ministry said"
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Old 07-30-2022, 04:14 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Russians have invited UN and Red Cross to examine the bombed prison site, so let's see what outcome will be.

Sorry, Russian only:

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/stat...92684895096843

"The Russian Federation, in the interests of investigating the attack on the pre-trial detention center in Yelenovka in the DPR, invited experts from the UN and the International Committee of the Red Cross, the Russian Defense Ministry said"
Good news. Ukraine also has requested an international investigation.

But Ukraine now says, the proof of their claim is in the fact, that the explosion was from within the building. It didn't seriously damage or demolish the exterior, as one would expect if it had been shelled. Also, they say it was suspicious, that no Russians were wounded,and that there had been a decision a few days in advance of the incident, to move prisoners into that building, which previously had been vacant.

We'll see what the UN investigation comes up with.
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Old 07-31-2022, 07:43 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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NATO supplies military intelligence data, money, weapons and training to Ukraine, and now even mercenaries - so even without "Link to this news" it's clear NATO is at war with Russia using Ukrainian hands.
Sorry, not interested in your mental gymnastics. Have a great weekend.
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Old 07-31-2022, 07:49 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Well, Ukraine now has long range NATO weapons reaching deeply into Russian territory, and already destroying civilian objects and killing non-military people there, since Ukraine has full NATO support legally speaking both Ukraine and NATO can be seen as terrorists.

BTW, the US as a NATO member killed far more civilians in past wars/invasions than Russia in Ukraine , so...
That perspective only fits if you are one of the invaders or support the invaders who elected to attack a sovereign neighboring country. They are defending themselves from the Russian aggressors. IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.

What a demented view to have, that Ukraine is seen as a terrorist because they dare to defend themselves from Russian annihilation.
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Old 07-31-2022, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Russia
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If I don't mystake there were more than a thousand of prisonners from avostal.
Your scenario were ukrainian bomb the place to silent them made no senss to me. First because they would never acheive to killed all of them.

The ressources necessary to do the task are to valuable compare to what they would possibly gain.
and by now if the prisonners would have something to say they would have already talk. So useless.

Terrorists don't kill everyone. They kill to intimidate others.
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Old 07-31-2022, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What a demented view to have, that Ukraine is seen as a terrorist because they dare to defend themselves from Russian annihilation.

They are terrorists if they use terrorist methods.
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Old 07-31-2022, 02:01 PM
 
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The russian nazi trooper who tortured, castrated and killed a Ukrainian pow was identified.
Арошанов Виталий Валерьевич, aroshanov vitali valer'evich, 02/21/1983, the city of Elista, Kalmykia

The evil Russian nazi empire carries on a proud tradition of its Mongol forefathers - using conquered and enslaved people to conquer and control other people and nations, and then using freshly conquered people to squash rebellions of their non russian enslavers.

The soldiers recruited from the poor russified yet non Slavic regions of the Russian Federation earned a rep for their unprovoked bestial cruelty against civilians and pows in this war. Poverty, de-humanizing Russian nazi propaganda, criminal ethos and lingo penetrating into all areas of life combined to create monsters. Last but not least, losing ancestral culture, language and identity to be replaced by imperial erzatz culture creates social and behavioral deviations for many generations to come. American Indians are not alone in that regard.

At the same time, 23 years of Putinism affected Russian ethic identity too. Russian ethnic identity is "unique" in the sense it is centered around obedience to the central authority and, not around sharing culture, customs and a way of life with other members of the Russian ethnic group. The Russian collective cheers for the death of the Russian speaking ethnic Russians from Azov, and it excommunicates anybody refusing to join Putin' bloody cult, yet it effectively adopted Chechen and Asian looking minorities commiting horrendous abuses in this war as bonafide Russian in the very ethnic sense of the word. It is a very recent, fresh from the oven development. Until now, a russified yet non Slavic looking minority could be insulted using a whole range of put downs taken from the immense Russian warehouse of the ethnic slur and insults, he was not quite a part of the club. Who knew? Russification +murder of Ukrainians (and ethnic Russians) in the name of Putin Reich would forge unheard of before "ethnic" unity of the Russian Russians and the enslaved, russified minorities.

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Old 07-31-2022, 02:14 PM
 
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You know very well that only die hard Putin' zombies believe that it is Chechens who blew up all those building 20+ years ago. The rest of Putin' zombie are kinda ok with a thought of FSB blowing those buidings up, if the fuhrer made a decision for a bloody propaganda op it was necessary to make that decision, the fuhrer is not only above the law, he's above the right and the wrong. The same with the war in Ukraine, if the fuhrer made a bloody decision, it was necessary; why it was necessary? Because the fuhrer made that decision. Totalitarian Cult 101.

I stumbled upon a short and sweet summary and analysis of Russian propaganda. And it is so you!

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

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Old 07-31-2022, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Russian terrorists fired missiles from Belarus to attack Ukraine. They did it at the beginning of the invasion. Now they are doing it again. Poland should attack Belarus and kill Russian savages there.
You know very well it would start WWIII.
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