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Old 08-16-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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If I have something heavy that I need lifted off my chest, that's right
Or, if you needed to throw something (punch, ball...etc) or just generally do anything that requires upper body strength.

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They are good compound lifts but I liked Schmedes' second paragraph workout better.
By what criteria?
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Somewhere
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I am not obsessed with physical exercise but I do some every week. I started doing exercise because 2 years ago I damaged that runs across the glute (left) for sitting on it like the Japanese for too long. Fortunately, it repaired itself thanks to medicine.

I don't know much about physical excirses and what I do is thanks to Youtube videos. I am a bit lazy but I like that laziness because I don't want to be one of those who obsess with physical appearance and achieving a certain look deemed attractive.

But I think that hiring a personal trainer would allow me tofollow a better and healthy program according to my needs and capacities. Things I don't know how to deal with myself.
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Old 08-18-2015, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Heres the thing. The good trainers are working in boutique shops that cater towards the businessmen/women, doctors, and the wealthy. I used to work at one that my brother in law managed. It was centrally located towards downtown and the major hospitals. The trainers here knew their sht in and out because they were training friggin doctors that could call their bluff at any moment. The trainers had degrees, multiple certs, and at least a decade of experience. Some of them specialized in athletic training for specific sports, geriatrics, sports rehab etc. My brother in law is known around town for being the best at helping ease post surgical pain and scar tissue damage through specific workouts. He is fully booked and has a waiting list a mile long.

Then you have your people who like to work out and decided to take one of the easier cert tests and work at a gym. These are your "well I picked things up and put them down and it worked for me, now I'll show you" trainers.

There is a world of difference.
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Old 08-18-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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Heres the thing. The good trainers are working in boutique shops that cater towards the businessmen/women, doctors, and the wealthy. I used to work at one that my brother in law managed. It was centrally located towards downtown and the major hospitals. The trainers here knew their sht in and out because they were training friggin doctors that could call their bluff at any moment. The trainers had degrees, multiple certs, and at least a decade of experience. Some of them specialized in athletic training for specific sports, geriatrics, sports rehab etc. My brother in law is known around town for being the best at helping ease post surgical pain and scar tissue damage through specific workouts. He is fully booked and has a waiting list a mile long.

Then you have your people who like to work out and decided to take one of the easier cert tests and work at a gym. These are your "well I picked things up and put them down and it worked for me, now I'll show you" trainers.

There is a world of difference.
I find this to be accurate. A competent trainer should have advanced certifications from programs like Strong First or Functional Movement System.

In fact, I'm not sure I would trust any trainer that's not aware of the Functional Movement System protocol.

Working out is about performance for sure, but it's also about longevity and health. In fact, longevity and health should take a precedence over performance for most people, and a competent trainer should understand this.

There is a cost to adaptation. The best approach is a general physical preparedness program, unless you are training a particular skillset relevant to your sport. And even then, you should consult with a specialist, IE a coach.
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Old 08-18-2015, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I find this to be accurate. A competent trainer should have advanced certifications from programs like Strong First or Functional Movement System.

In fact, I'm not sure I would trust any trainer that's not aware of the Functional Movement System protocol.
The best trainers are not going to be doing that "functional" training stuff.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:20 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The best trainers are not going to be doing that "functional" training stuff.
You should look up what the fms is before saying that

Functional Movement Systems
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Old 08-19-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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You should look up what the fms is before saying that

Functional Movement Systems
I'm well aware of what it is. I have a good friend who owns and operates one of those "functional strength" gyms.

It's a gimmick.
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Old 08-19-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I'm well aware of what it is. I have a good friend who owns and operates one of those "functional strength" gyms.

It's a gimmick.
You clearly do not know what the fms is. Have a nice day
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Old 08-19-2015, 12:16 PM
 
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You clearly do not know what the fms is. Have a nice day
Let me guess, it's another system of "functional" movements that eschew more conventional strength training protocols.

Gee, it's looks like that's exactly what it is.

Hmm, well let's go through their exercise library. Are there any barbell exercises? Nope. They have some weird squats and deadlifts using kettle bells and pulleys though, so that's better than nothing.

Oh gee look, here's more of the same from the guy who created FMS. That looks like pretty much every other "functional training" program I've ever seen, and fairly close to the one run by a friend of mine.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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The best trainers are not going to be doing that "functional" training stuff.
The best trainers in the world ARE doing that "functional" training stuff. This includes a number of strength and conditioning coaches for NFL teams.

The FMS is a screen process that uses a systematic approach to assess a client's weakness in their movement patterns. When you have improper movement patterns you're a much greater risk of injury and it's unlikely you are reaching your optimal level of performance.

Training has come a long way. Not everything is predicated on Bigger, Faster, Stronger anymore. And while you talk negatively about tools such as kettlebells a number of athletes, including NFL players attribute them to helping them stay in the game.

If training is your profession, you have a significant amount of knowledge to catch up on, lest you be a danger to your clientele. Honestly, I would say it is critical for trainers to conduct a movement assessment with their clients, instead of mindlessly putting them on a "works for one works for all" type of protocol, especially if it's centered around a high risk, high learning curve exercise such as the barbell back squat.

Also, judging by your above comment where you say throwing a punch or a ball can be enhanced by doing bench presses clearly misses the mark. You should read up on some kinesiology, especially before giving other people advice on working out.
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