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This thread is bringing back memories of a lot of bands I used to listen to back in the day, including Sixousie and the Banshees - great music! I guess her band was considered goth, or at least pseudo-goth (if that term even exists).
I also remember, as a teen, going to see The Cure in concert back in Summer 1989 (the Disintegration tour) @ a sold-out show. While that band may have been considered Goth early on (early '80's), by the late '80's they were pretty much mainstream, and were being played on "Top 40" radio stations...
You nailed it. With that said, I do not see many true Goth kids around anymore.
Some of the Goths are into Steam Punk.
A lot of original punks are in their 50s and 60s. I have two friends who still dress that way - but they own a lucrative business that caters to that crowd and color their hair brightly.
One dyes it back when she takes her kids to college and does other "momish" things.
Many former punks dress with a touch of Rockabilly or a Mid Century Modern 50s dress and styles.
And yes, I was a punk rocker. NY style - which was different from the excesses of England or California.
I like Goth too. I think I'll put on some Bauhaus now.
Yeah steam punk has gotten pretty big of late.
I kind of wore emo clothing at times except skinny jeans because I am a little too heavy for them and I like other cut of jeans better.
Goth was out before it started - it was just kids copying the original punks of the 80's.
Every single counterculture trend is really at its heart just a recycled version of the previous counterculture trends before it. What it's in response to changes over time, sure, but it serves the same purpose. It doesn't matter if the trappings of hairstyles, attire, music associated with the trend, etc. are different, it's still basicall the same thing. All these things are copies of previous efforts. There wasn't anything anymore original about the "original" punks of the 80s than there is/was about Goths. Disaffected youth participating in counterculture fads with their own special looks and music and fashion and attitudes that they believe set them apart from the mainstream are a part of every generation.
Some people move beyond the "disaffected youth trying to prove their "difference" stage of things, and continue to embrace the trends and subcultures they are a part of long past adolescence and young adulthood, because it's just become a part of their life. But for most, it's a fleeting thing, and part of being young and feeling like you're showing independence by joining subcultures you believe to be outside the mainstream (even if all that does is make you a member of another group).
I was a goth back in the late 80's/early 90's, art school etc. This period was also the last of the old school punks and skin heads. Are straight edge people still around? Most of my friends during this period fit into one of these categories.
I don't see that Grimes girl as goth at all. She is a mix of pop, hippie, bohemia and some techno or industrial club kid on the side.
Well Grimes calls herself goth so that's gotta count for something.
Some people move beyond the "disaffected youth trying to prove their "difference" stage of things, and continue to embrace the trends and subcultures they are a part of long past adolescence and young adulthood, because it's just become a part of their life. But for most, it's a fleeting thing, and part of being young and feeling like you're showing independence by joining subcultures you believe to be outside the mainstream (even if all that does is make you a member of another group).
Agreed. This reminds me of an article I read about an entertainment personality back in the 200X's. He was around during the non-conformist "hippie" era of the 1960's & 1970's, and said that he was never a member of this group (sub-group?!) because he felt that all of the hippies he saw looked similar to each other (presumably similar dress/hair, etc.) - i.e., they were very conformist...
I'm not even knocking conformity within subcultures. Social groups/tribes/subculturs/etc., and participation in them are an integral and typically healthy part of human development across cultures. There is value to willingly being part of a group or culture, and some people would rather be part of one that exists outside the mainstream, because it is more interesting and appealing to them. But I'm rather skeptical of of members of particular subcultures who legitimately think that what they're doing is anything different than what humans have been doing as long as humans have been alive...breaking off into groups of like-minded individuals with similar values, priorities, and/or interests.
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Goth girl power.
