03-21-2012, 12:39 PM
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He overstepped his authority the second he (on his own against warning from the 911 dispatcher) decided to pursue. You, me or anyone can be suspicious of anyone at any given time. That DOES NOT give us the RIGHT or AUTHORITY to question, confront, or detain someone and most certainly don't have the right to kill when the kid was already neutralized on the ground.
lol, impressive bold and caps
In reality, we all have the right to question and confront people.
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03-21-2012, 12:49 PM
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You're kidding, right? Neighborhood WATCH means just that...keep an eye out and call the police if you see someone/something suspicious. Zimmerman could have easily done that, but he didn't. He confronted the "suspicious" person and then shot him dead. Nobody would have known he even called the police if he had not confronted the victim. The police would have shown up, questioned the young man, determined that he was headed to his father's fiance's house, and that would have been that.
Is your post a joke? Are you unaware of the 911 call which clearly stated that the police are usually too slow to respond when black youths walk through this community (which is not enclosed) and steal property from homeowners?
Surely you aren't posting authoritatively on this subject without knowing the basic facts. Say it ain't so, Joe.
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03-21-2012, 12:50 PM
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He was also an "A" and "B" student in good standing otherwise. Does the fact that he was in trouble somehow make his death acceptable in your twisted sense of reality?
What do his grades have to do with anything? Yes, in my logical world a violent child would be more likely to initiate conflict.
This thread is a modern-day lynching. In the old days, a man would be lynched if the public thought he had committed a crime but the law had failed to punish him. I don't see any difference here. Nobody seems to care that this kid was acting suspiciously, that this community was plagued with black youth crime, that the kid appears to have attacked Zimmerman, etc. All that matters is that we have a rare white-on-black murder (in contrast to the much more common black-on-white murders).
03-21-2012, 01:29 PM
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Speculating:
-Zimmerman is going to need to prove he felt his life was at risk, I am failing to see how Zimmerman felt his life was at risk.
-The 911 call does say a lot, and Zimmerman would have much mroe credibility if not for that 911 call.
-Being suspcious is subjective and not a crime, what did Zimmerman actually see the victim doing that was suspicious? Walking is not a suspicious act unless you are reaching for an excuse.
-The area may have had a lot of crime committed by black youths, but it ends there, if this is the basis for Zimmerman's confrontation, it already states profiling. There are a lot of black youths, that does not mean all of them are criminals. I would not want to be profiled on the basis of what others do no more than black people do.
-The police are slow, well, that to is subjective, it is hard for the police to take urgency in
"Zimmerman: I see a black guy walking, he looks suspicious.
911: What is he doing?
Zimmerman: He is walking.
911: And?
Zimmerman: He is walking! And he is black! That means he is suspicious!"
And again, how did Zimmerman feel his life was threatened? Espcially when it is clear as day Zimmerman was the one pursuing. If he felt his life was in danger, he should have stayed in the car.
The victim is under no obligation to answer or stop for Zimmerman, Zimmerman of course has all rights to confront the victim and ask questions, just as someone stopping someone to ask directions, but the line ends there. If the victim rattled off some smart mouth remark, that is his business to do so, and Zimmerman's business to let it alone.
But again, all speculation, waiting for more thigns to come out, main thing is; why did Zimmerman feel his life was threatened?
03-21-2012, 01:32 PM
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It was obvious to me by looking at his picture that at the very least he has Hispanic heritage, his "surname" Zimmerman is German. Regardless of this, he was (in my opinion and from what I heard on the 911 tapes) profiling which is considered racism.
I first read, in the papers, that he was
Jewish and Hispanic.
03-21-2012, 01:48 PM
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Zimmerman's actions may have been over the top, but I can't believe some of the posts here that are stating there is no reason for him to be suspicious of someone walking through his neigborhood in the rain wering a hoodie. Why have a neighborhood watch program at all? Usually it is a result of having had recent crime issues. A hoodie can be more than a fashion statement. It is also a method to hide one's identity to the casual observer. If the bad guys were wearing bandannas around their faces like in the old west, would you let your kid wear banannas while walking around your neighbor hood at night in the rain? It's not against the law, sure, but would it be the smart thing to do, to emulate a thug in an area where thugs have been reported?
If Zimmerman overstepped his "authority" (if there was any authority) and it can be proven then have at him. But keep an open mind to the circumstances and hope that the whole truth comes out.
My sixty something year old husband has a hoodie that is water resistant and he wears it in the rain. I think it is stretching it quite a bit to say a hoodie is suspicious attire. I have a hoodie. They protect your neck from the wind. There was no reason at all to think this kid was suspicious. He was just a normal kid and Zimmerman was riding around, looking for trouble because he thought 'they always get away with it'. He is a bully who was shown to resort to physical violence in the past. He should not have had a gun, in the first place.
There were witnesses all along this situation. Three heard a child screaming, not an old man. His girlfriend was on the phone when the lad expressed concern that someone was following him in a car. He was scared.
Zimmerman had been told by the police to stop following the kid, agreed, and then resumed to stalk the child.
Those are facts. Look at THAT with an open mind!
In most neighborhoods they would have held Zimmerman in jail because he killed a person. The police department needs some serious overhauling by the feds, in my opinion.
03-21-2012, 01:51 PM
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What do his grades have to do with anything? Yes, in my logical world a violent child would be more likely to initiate conflict.
This thread is a modern-day lynching. In the old days, a man would be lynched if the public thought he had committed a crime but the law had failed to punish him. I don't see any difference here. Nobody seems to care that this kid was acting suspiciously, that this community was plagued with black youth crime, that the kid appears to have attacked Zimmerman, etc. All that matters is that we have a rare white-on-black murder (in contrast to the much more common black-on-white murders).
So in your mind, acting suspiciously and having the audacity to be the same skin color of others who had been problems in the area is reason enough to follow aggressively, aim a weapon at and shoot while having 911 on the line telling you to stand down and wait for police? Where did you read/hear that Martin attacked Zimmerman? There isn't any evidence of that at all. He retaliated out of fear for his life but obviously did not initiate. Was it the Iced Tea and Skittles he had clinched in either hand that offended you or would have made you fear for your life? And who attempts to diffuse an argument by saying it's a rare white-on-black murder???? Oh well you're right, "they're" (black folks) still ahead in the body count so
they should give us one??? Please do us all a favor and turn off FauxNews, it's completely fried your sense of reasoning.
03-21-2012, 01:54 PM
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What do his grades have to do with anything?
And you don't suppose there would be a mention of the white "A and B student" gunned down by a black vigilante? Don't even act like there's not a double standard.
03-21-2012, 01:58 PM
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WoW, the 'mordern' and 'progressive' state of Florida does it again.
Great laws and race relations you got down there guys.
way to go
There is an author, Hiaasen, who says Florida is full of odd characters and strange events and he gets much inspiration for his novels from the newspapers in the state.
03-21-2012, 02:14 PM
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What do his grades have to do with anything? Yes, in my logical world a violent child would be more likely to initiate conflict.
This thread is a modern-day lynching. In the old days, a man would be lynched if the public thought he had committed a crime but the law had failed to punish him. I don't see any difference here. Nobody seems to care that this kid was acting suspiciously, that this community was plagued with black youth crime, that the kid appears to have attacked Zimmerman , etc. All that matters is that we have a rare white-on-black murder (in contrast to the much more common black-on-white murders).
That comment is pulled out of - nowhere.
Nobody has even intimated that.
I heard that they had had a robbery recently.
Where do you get your information that the neighborhood was plagued by crime?
If so, would there not have been more folks joining Z's neighborhood watch? Truth is, he was the only one.
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Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)