[lenniel]

Originally Posted by kmarc

Why so catty? Rumor has it the CDC is going to declare the e-coli outbreak miraculously solved, which ought to send Chipotle stock to the moon!

It just annoys me when people think companies are in the business of providing charity and not in the business of making money.
You get annoyed because Disney was going to lay off people and replace them with other people who could do the same thing for a lot less money.
Granted, I get annoyed when I call a tech support number and I speak to "Bob" in India and there's a language barrier, but that's beside the point.
The only way Disney is going to suffer from bad pub is if they somehow get tied to supporting isis or something like that.

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by lenniel

It just annoys me when people think companies are in the business of providing charity and not in the business of making money.
You get annoyed because Disney was going to lay off people and replace them with other people who could do the same thing for a lot less money.
Granted, I get annoyed when I call a tech support number and I speak to "Bob" in India and there's a language barrier, but that's beside the point.
The only way Disney is going to suffer from bad pub is if they somehow get tied to supporting isis or something like that.

First of all, I don't think companies are in the business of charity, and I certainly don't consider paying people well for a job well done is charity. As to whether these "other people" can do the same thing for a lot less money, I'm not so sure that's true. We'll have to see. I don't consider language barriers to be beside the point. Communication matters, in fact it is the lifeblood of business. And I also consider that how employees are treated is a good measure of how customers are treated. I know a guy who is an airplane mechanic. Much of that is "outsourced" to people who don't understand English, yet must deal with manuals written in English. Of course, the "captains of industry" don't use them for their private planes, the Gulfstreams and such. That should tell you something.

I also don't think government should be in the business of picking winners and losers. H1-B visa program is one way this is done, although I grant you that Disney pays a LOT in taxes to Florida.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by kmarc

First of all, I don't think companies are in the business of charity, and I certainly don't consider paying people well for a job well done is charity. As to whether these "other people" can do the same thing for a lot less money, I'm not so sure that's true. We'll have to see. I don't consider language barriers to be beside the point. Communication matters, in fact it is the lifeblood of business. And I also consider that how employees are treated is a good measure of how customers are treated. I know a guy who is an airplane mechanic. Much of that is "outsourced" to people who don't understand English, yet must deal with manuals written in English. Of course, the "captains of industry" don't use them for their private planes, the Gulfstreams and such. That should tell you something.

I also don't think government should be in the business of picking winners and losers. H1-B visa program is one way this is done, although I grant you that Disney pays a LOT in taxes to Florida.

It is happening in Universities all aver the Country as well. The American professors are being fired, etc and professors from other Countries are being hired at way less money. One major and well known University has just a handful of American Professor working for them. Oh, the leadership is still all American as their pay goes up because of this. It is happening everywhere.

[convextech]

Originally Posted by kmarc

I know a guy who is an airplane mechanic. Much of that is "outsourced" to people who don't understand English, yet must deal with manuals written in English. Of course, the "captains of industry" don't use them for their private planes, the Gulfstreams and such. That should tell you something.

I am a computer scientist that writes tech manuals for the DoD and other aviation-specific prime contractors, and I can assure you that none of the companies like Boeing, Lockheed, Gulfstream, etc., do any outsourcing. They source to American subcontractors, who sometimes sub out, but it's frowned upon.


I myself worked for Gulfstream, and those planes are American-made right here in the U.S., and we worked alongside the mechanics making sure their tech manuals were the way they wanted them.


If your friend has an issue with his tech manuals being written by someone from India (for example), perhaps he should consider moving up to a better aircraft made by an American company on American soil.

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by convextech

I am a computer scientist that writes tech manuals for the DoD and other aviation-specific prime contractors, and I can assure you that none of the companies like Boeing, Lockheed, Gulfstream, etc., do any outsourcing. They source to American subcontractors, who sometimes sub out, but it's frowned upon.


I myself worked for Gulfstream, and those planes are American-made right here in the U.S., and we worked alongside the mechanics making sure their tech manuals were the way they wanted them.


If your friend has an issue with his tech manuals being written by someone from India (for example), perhaps he should consider moving up to a better aircraft made by an American company on American soil.

I'm not talking about tech manuals being written in India, I'm talking about non-English speakers, supposedly "mechanics", working with manuals written in English. He himself is in demand and has a lot of work, because he's an English speaking American with years of experience. And what you said about American subs who "sub out" is exactly what he told me.

[kmarc]

Originally Posted by expatCA

It is happening in Universities all aver the Country as well. The American professors are being fired, etc and professors from other Countries are being hired at way less money. One major and well known University has just a handful of American Professor working for them. Oh, the leadership is still all American as their pay goes up because of this. It is happening everywhere.

It's a race to the bottom except for those at the top. However, their little pop stand can crumble, too.

[kmarc]

Anyway, I think it's important to remember the old adage, "You get what you pay for". I have often found this to be true.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by StarfishKey

This is why corporations need regulation - to protect the interests of the working class American citizen, not CEOs and a shareholders' board. And corporations flock to Florida because we have virtually no regulation at all.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs?

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by lenniel

It just annoys me when people think companies are in the business of providing charity and not in the business of making money.
You get annoyed because Disney was going to lay off people and replace them with other people who could do the same thing for a lot less money.
Granted, I get annoyed when I call a tech support number and I speak to "Bob" in India and there's a language barrier, but that's beside the point.
The only way Disney is going to suffer from bad pub is if they somehow get tied to supporting isis or something like that.

Or if the IT workers who are now running the show do such a poor job that it impacts park operations.

It's one thing to outsource/offshore work, it's another to do it and get the same level of quality you were getting before.

Having said that, and having benefited from the H1B visa in the past, it IS abused in many cases. This is probably one of them as stock standard run-of-the-mill IT operations doesn't require special knowledge not available in Orlando.

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by kmarc

Why? At a time when Americans and many Floridians are under financial stress, Disney fires 250 workers in Florida and if that wasn't enough, forces them to train their replacements from India if they want to get their severance pay. I find this beyond disgusting, and bad for the state, especially the Orlando area.


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Heres a few more companies/corporations you can add to your boycott.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou....a/content.html