[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by RedneckRebel

So many liberals on this forum in such denial that the economy is finally picking up again after the lost decade of Obama. That wont give any credit to Trump. Keep at it lib-tards, you will continue to miss some great opportunities. #MAGA

I'm not a liberal, but a realist. Yes the economy is picking up. Again, we don't have high tech industry, oil or a big manufacturing bases in FL. No matter how much the economy picks up, FL is going to be mostly service based industry which typically results in lower paying jobs.

[RedneckRebel]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

I'm not a liberal, but a realist. Yes the economy is picking up. Again, we don't have high tech industry, oil or a big manufacturing bases in FL. No matter how much the economy picks up, FL is going to be mostly service based industry which typically results in lower paying jobs.

The idea of Florida being plagued with low paying jobs is a fallacy. It is a lie people on the left created to try and discredit the progress Florida has made in recent years. Since Rick Scott has been Governor, that fastest growing industries in Florida having pretty consistently been in the Goods Producing sector and Financial sector. Both of which have plenty of high paying jobs.

The leisure and hospitality (retail, restaurants, and other various service jobs) have consistently fallen as a share of the jobs in the state.

The data supports everything I am saying. If you or anybody else cannot find a decent paying job in Florida today that is on you. It is not Florida's fault.

[Enigma777]

Originally Posted by RedneckRebel

The idea of Florida being plagued with low paying jobs is a fallacy. It is a lie people on the left created to try and discredit the progress Florida has made in recent years. Since Rick Scott has been Governor, that fastest growing industries in Florida having pretty consistently been in the Goods Producing sector and Financial sector. Both of which have plenty of high paying jobs.

The leisure and hospitality (retail, restaurants, and other various service jobs) have consistently fallen as a share of the jobs in the state.

The data supports everything I am saying. If you or anybody else cannot find a decent paying job in Florida today that is on you. It is not Florida's fault.

Which data are your referring to? Federal data says otherwise. Could you post the data that supports your assertions?

"...As expected, Florida’s economic reliance on service jobs, typically those tied to tourism, means the economy is reliant on low-wage jobs. And in many cases, those jobs pay less in Florida cities than elsewhere in the United States..."

Report: Jobs in Florida cities have lowest pay in the nation - Florida Politics

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Enigma777

Which data are your referring to? Federal data says otherwise. Could you post the data that supports your assertions?

"...As expected, Florida’s economic reliance on service jobs, typically those tied to tourism, means the economy is reliant on low-wage jobs. And in many cases, those jobs pay less in Florida cities than elsewhere in the United States..."

Report: Jobs in Florida cities have lowest pay in the nation - Florida Politics

That report seems to support the claim that low paying jobs are in the mintory.

from that link:

"Those three combine to provide more than 120,000 jobs, representing more than 10 percent of Orlando’s jobs, according to the BLS survey"

Now I suspect that other service business night bump that to even 30%, but that would mean 70% pay better.

This is a common response to virtually any State when such ratings are given. The same thing in San Diego CA, High rate of new employment and .... the claim is the majority is in the service industry, so not much gain money wise.

Consequently if true of all areas, then it is ....... common and no basis for denigrating any area. If it is inflated as a claim to make an area look bad, then it says more about the one posting than the area in question.

As a comparison; CA is having more people leave than move in from other States and FL has more people moving in than leaving for other States. The primary reason in both States is cost of living and it is better in FL than CA.

The quote is also from a political site which means ignore it, as an agenda exists.Note another report:

Florida United States - LMSC Resource Page - FloridaJobs.org

Florida’s Nonagricultural Employment by Industry (Seasonally Adjusted)  The number of jobs in Florida was 8,676,400 in November 2017, up 195,000 jobs compared to a year ago. November 2017 was the 88th consecutive month with positive over‐the‐year job growth. The industry gaining the most jobs was construction (+41,800 jobs, +8.7 percent).  Other industries gaining jobs over the year included professional and business services (+41,000 jobs, +3.1 percent); trade, transportation, and utilities (+33,500 jobs, +1.9 percent); financial activities (+15,500 jobs, +2.8 percent); education and health services (+15,200 jobs, +1.2 percent); manufacturing (+14,100 jobs, +3.9 percent); other services (+13,500 jobs, +3.8 percent); government (+12,200 jobs, +1.1 percent); leisure and hospitality (+5,200 jobs, +0.4 percent); and information (+3,000 jobs, +2.2 percent).

Now service jobs did NOT grow as fast as others.

[Bert_from_back_East]

Originally Posted by LifeIsGood01

Cape Coral, Fort Myers ‘best in the nation’ for hiring

https://www.winknews.com/2017/12/13/...p-best-nation/

Yeah, if you work in a store or a restaurant.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Bert_from_back_East

Yeah, if you work in a store or a restaurant.

You did not read my post just before yours.

Out of 195,000 new jobs only were 5200 were in the leisure industry a 0.4 % portion of the growth in jobs.

Here I will post it again:

Florida United States - LMSC Resource Page - FloridaJobs.org

Florida’s Nonagricultural Employment by Industry (Seasonally Adjusted)  The number of jobs in Florida was 8,676,400 in November 2017, up 195,000 jobs compared to a year ago. November 2017 was the 88th consecutive month with positive over‐the‐year job growth. The industry gaining the most jobs was construction (+41,800 jobs, +8.7 percent).  Other industries gaining jobs over the year included professional and business services (+41,000 jobs, +3.1 percent); trade, transportation, and utilities (+33,500 jobs, +1.9 percent); financial activities (+15,500 jobs, +2.8 percent); education and health services (+15,200 jobs, +1.2 percent); manufacturing (+14,100 jobs, +3.9 percent); other services (+13,500 jobs, +3.8 percent); government (+12,200 jobs, +1.1 percent); leisure and hospitality (+5,200 jobs, +0.4 percent); and information (+3,000 jobs, +2.2 percent).

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by RedneckRebel

The idea of Florida being plagued with low paying jobs is a fallacy. It is a lie people on the left created to try and discredit the progress Florida has made in recent years. Since Rick Scott has been Governor, that fastest growing industries in Florida having pretty consistently been in the Goods Producing sector and Financial sector. Both of which have plenty of high paying jobs.

The leisure and hospitality (retail, restaurants, and other various service jobs) have consistently fallen as a share of the jobs in the state.

The data supports everything I am saying. If you or anybody else cannot find a decent paying job in Florida today that is on you. It is not Florida's fault.

That's a bunch of the typical load of you know what that Scott serves up to keep his sorry self in office.

Florida is ranked 42nd for Median Household Income in the latest US Census Survey (2016), versus back in 2000 when it ranked 34th. So if anything there is no "progress" as other states have caught up and surpassed us. The low paying jobs aspect is not a fallacy either as supported by the fact the average FL salary versus cost of living results in the lowest (#50) in terms of net salaries on average, yet again referencing other states improving salaries with a lower cost of living and resulting in better livability economically.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.dafbf37bb2e1
Salary by State: Where Can You Really Earn the Most?
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/...s/dt10_025.asp

[LifeIsGood01]

Originally Posted by Bert_from_back_East

Yeah, if you work in a store or a restaurant.

and a lot of people are happy to get those jobs in an area where cost of housing is relatively low and you can buy a small modest house on minimum wage.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by LifeIsGood01

and a lot of people are happy to get those jobs in an area where cost of housing is relatively low and you can buy a small modest house on minimum wage.

Where would the down payment come from if living in a city with inequitable rent versus salary ratios which is the case in every major metro in FL? Even a $12 an hour job in a rare 40 hour per week scenario in the leisure and hospitality industry would net around $1700 per month. The average one bedroom apartment rents in the $900-$1000 a month range in most FL cities, so besides the base rent care to explain how one could save anything substantial after paying for a car, utilities, groceries, etc? I would cast a major bet that the vast majority of home sales in FL are driven by those moving in from out of state with significant equity from their prior homes, or empty-nester FL residents downsizing.

[LifeIsGood01]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Where would the down payment come from if living in a city with inequitable rent versus salary ratios which is the case in every major metro in FL? Even a $12 an hour job in a rare 40 hour per week scenario in the leisure and hospitality industry would net around $1700 per month. The average one bedroom apartment rents in the $900-$1000 a month range in most FL cities, so besides the base rent care to explain how one could save anything substantial after paying for a car, utilities, groceries, etc? I would cast a major bet that the vast majority of home sales in FL are driven by those moving in from out of state with significant equity from their prior homes, or empty-nester FL residents downsizing.

You only need 3 to 3.5% down for some mortgages. FHA is one, but it requires mortgage insurance, but banks are competing and have similar down payment options where the MI may not be required for the whole mortgage term.

So if you can find a home or condo with low HOA fees for under $75K making $8.25 an hour you make $17,160 gross a year. Some mortgages allow up to 45% of gross income to qualify which is $643.50. on a $75K mortgage your monthly payments are $350 to $388 depending on your down payment. Plus insurance and mortgage insurance and property taxes and you should be able to find something so you can qualify. You also need to have 2 years of steady employment to qualify so by the 2 years time you should have gotten a raise if you are a good employee.

I bought a small 3/1 home in this area a little less than 2 years ago. My mortgage is $200 less than the person who was renting the house was paying. and is $325 less than the going rental rate.