[**NoodLes**]

Florida would be a much better place if they had Arizona's immigration act.

Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act - latimes.com

[Coconut1]

Sure, how about, "all those that look to be from England, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland and any other European country" must show proof of citizenship when stopped by an officer. Goodness knows there a lot of illegals from Europe in this country. How about that?

[**NoodLes**]

Originally Posted by Coconut1

Sure, how about, "all those that look to be from England, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland and any other European country" must show proof of citizenship when stopped by an officer. Goodness knows there a lot of illegals from Europe in this country. How about that?

I'm all for it, if you have nothing to hide then why get upset about it? I don't get upset that a cashier asks for my license when I buy alcohol, I don't get upset when a cop asks for my license, either. Only those who are doing wrong will have a negative opinion about it. At least Arizona has the guts to do what the Federal government has been talking about for decades. Well, now it's time to ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING!!!

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[MovedfromFL]

I don't like the "show your papers at any time" aspect of the law. (being stopped because you "look illegal")

What we need to do is enforce the current laws and crack down on employers. In my town here in GA, we have large chicken processing plants. Everyone knows they hire 100% illegal labor, yet nothing is done. In fact, the companies just paid a fine of something like $300k for hiring illegals, but now business continues as usual. These same plants also get away with numerous safety violations because illegals aren't going to complain. (OSHA cited the chicken plants for "repeated and willful" safety violations. Companies paid $200k fine and again, back to business.

[MovedfromFL]

Originally Posted by **NoodLes**

I'm all for it, if you have nothing to hide then why get upset about it? I don't get upset that a cashier asks for my license when I buy alcohol, I don't get upset when a cop asks for my license, either. Only those who are doing wrong will have a negative opinion about it. At least Arizona has the guts to do what the Federal government has been talking about for decades. Well, now it's time to ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING!!!

Like I've been told about leaving Florida, "If you don"t like it, LEAVE!" So get out of America if you don't like it!

Oh boy, not this again.

So I suppose you would be ok with the federal gov't monitoring your phone calls, checking your e-mails, opening your mail, etc because you have nothing to hide? Maybe we should just have random searches on the street for weapons, guns, drugs?

You need to think about the quote from Ben Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[mango23]

Originally Posted by **NoodLes**

Florida would be a much better place if they had Arizona's immigration act.

Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act - latimes.com

The problem with the law is, it is redundant. There are more then enough laws already in place that don't get enforced to solve the problem.
What is the point of a new law? You don't need to list every way you can kill someone to have it against the law. I can't get away with killing someone with a fountain pen and then claim,

"Show me where it says it is against the law to kill with a fountain pen".

It is not required to have a law for every possible circumstance. All they have to do is enforce the current laws. This whole thing is little more then political meaningless theater. I am not sure who their audience is supposed to be though. I guess the very stupid.

[**NoodLes**]

Originally Posted by MovedfromFL

Oh boy, not this again.

So I suppose you would be ok with the federal gov't monitoring your phone calls, checking your e-mails, opening your mail, etc because you have nothing to hide? Maybe we should just have random searches on the street for weapons, guns, drugs?

You need to think about the quote from Ben Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Whether you want to believe it or not, THEY ALREADY DO! Also, ever heard of a traffic checkpoint where they stop each and every car to check for ID's, insurance, drunk drivers, etc.

Your so called "racism" argument, whatever that means nowadays since every body claims something is "racist" or "offensive", is null since true racism will ALWAYS exist. Good for Arizona, I think I may have found my next state since they have balls.

[Coconut1]

Originally Posted by MovedfromFL

Oh boy, not this again.

So I suppose you would be ok with the federal gov't monitoring your phone calls, checking your e-mails, opening your mail, etc because you have nothing to hide? Maybe we should just have random searches on the street for weapons, guns, drugs?

You need to think about the quote from Ben Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Exactly. It really gets me that people are up at arms about health care, yet are so willing to let the government spy on them, stop them and then cart them away indefinitely if deemed a terrorist.

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[mango23]

Originally Posted by **NoodLes**

Whether you want to believe it or not, THEY ALREADY DO! Also, ever heard of a traffic checkpoint where they stop each and every car to check for ID's, insurance, drunk drivers, etc.

Your so called "racism" argument, whatever that means nowadays since every body claims something is "racist" or "offensive", is null since true racism will ALWAYS exist. Good for Arizona, I think I may have found my next state since they have balls.

I don't get your enthusiasm with a state that doesn't enforce their laws. Why would this new wrinkle in an old law make any difference? They don't do anything now? This is one more redundant law they won't bother to enforce. You are being fooled I am afraid

[Sunny-Days-in-Florida]

Originally Posted by MovedfromFL

I don't like the "show your papers at any time" aspect of the law. (being stopped because you "look illegal")

What we need to do is enforce the current laws and crack down on employers. In my town here in GA, we have large chicken processing plants. Everyone knows they hire 100% illegal labor, yet nothing is done. In fact, the companies just paid a fine of something like $300k for hiring illegals, but now business continues as usual. These same plants also get away with numerous safety violations because illegals aren't going to complain. (OSHA cited the chicken plants for "repeated and willful" safety violations. Companies paid $200k fine and again, back to business.

You need to read the law that Arizona just passed.

NO ONE will be stopped just because they look illegal.

I agree also that if you have nothing to hide then there should be no problem.

We need to fix the illegal trespassing issue some how.

I see many other states following Arizona as 70% of all Americans want the illegals out of our country.

I do not care what country they are from if they are here illegally they are trespassing and are criminals for doing so.

Please stop repeating the lie Obama told yesterday as it is all hogwash.

The Arizona law enforces the law that the feds wont.

Thank you Arizona and I hope Florida follows suit as well as a ton of other states.