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Old 05-23-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Ford has not sold a true full size RWD car in the US since the 1980s.
It's sold the Crown Vic up until fairly recently.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:33 PM
 
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Ford has not sold a true full size RWD car in the US since the 1980s.
What would you call the crown vic?

They whole panter platform. Crown vic, Grand Marquis and Town Car...
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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This sad news, but obviously a lot of the people down under haven't put their money where their mouths are.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Notice the price of a new car does not decrease when auto production is shifted to low cost countries.
Well they are publicly traded companies who hopefully watch out over their stockholders interests along with their pensions and bonuses so there's....that....
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Exactly. Everyone expects higher pay and consistent pay increases while the consumer wants a less expensive product or more bang for the buck. These two demands are at odds and if we expect businesses to compete then we have to live with the consequence associated with running a competitive business.

These are the same jokers who complain about the demise of American manufacturing and then drive off to do their shopping at WalMart.
Excellent post....of course, the manufacturers have to actually make products that people want....my humble advice would be for Ford, GM and Chrysler to swipe as many talented folks from Toyota and Honda and go from there. It's obvious the management structures in place could never turn it around....not completely....

Their slogans have gone from quality is job one....not......to pension companies who make cars part time....wanna get back in the game??? Act like it. Quit coming back with, "it's better this time", with the truth being that they are STILL 1-2 steps behind Toyota and Honda.....even Hyundai came back like the Phoenix in 20 years.....

As far as the Fusion and other similar models they ARE a step in the right direction but, I would counter than they are STILL a few steps back....Ford drops out of Mazda's interest to 3% ownership of the company and voila, look at the new Mazda 6....they just don't get it and are never going to get it. Raise the white flag, hire the Japs, make better cars. It's that simple.
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:31 AM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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Perhaps the Japanese companies invest a little more in their vehicles than they do their employees.

It's a trade off in the American companies you pay your employees more money so they can buy a new Ford, Chevy or Dodge, the Japanese companies you pay them less so they can drive used Hondas, Toyota's, Ford and Chevy Pickups.

For the wages they pay building foreign cars they should be a lot cheaper than American brands.

I own both so I am not going to debate which is better. But if anybody thinks the Japanese know more about building autos they are mistaken. Don't forget nobody reverse engineers more products than the Asians.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Twin Lakes /Taconic / Salisbury
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Perhaps the Japanese companies invest a little more in their vehicles than they do their employees.

It's a trade off in the American companies you pay your employees more money so they can buy a new Ford, Chevy or Dodge, the Japanese companies you pay them less so they can drive used Hondas, Toyota's, Ford and Chevy Pickups.

For the wages they pay building foreign cars they should be a lot cheaper than American brands.

I own both so I am not going to debate which is better. But if anybody thinks the Japanese know more about building autos they are mistaken. Don't forget nobody reverse engineers more products than the Asians.

That whole post couldnt be any farther from reality.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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What would you call the crown vic?

They whole panter platform. Crown vic, Grand Marquis and Town Car...

I was thinking true full size, like early 1970s LTDs. Late model Crown Vics were really mid size.

Now they call a Taurus full size.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:14 AM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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That whole post couldnt be any farther from reality.
Really would you care to explain?

I know you are a car/driving expert because you have mentioned it before.

Here is one for you to explain, Ford, Chevy and Chrysler all have been racing pushrod V-8's for 50 years, along comes Toyota and reverse engineers all three of those engines and comes up with the TRD racing V-8 for NASCAR. a ForChevChry engine and in 10 years is destroying NASCAR track records.

Yea, they did that all by them selves in their own engineering dept. Give me a frigging break.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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True. Walmart did nearly half a trillion dollars in business last year. This suggests that most people actually couldn't care less about low wages, near-slave labor practices, or all the other things people whine about in regards to manufacturing and selling goods.

Yes, let's all continue to manipulate pricing on everything. We certainly need an even more artificial world economy.

I read elsewhere that this means Ford will no longer sell fullsized RWD cars. To me that is as sad as the factory closing.
Walmart's profit margin on all that revenue is about 4%. They sell a lot. But they aren't anywhere near as "greedy" as everyone's favorite company - Apple.
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