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The top link was what could happen if there was considerable commuting from SW FL to South FL (Miami and Ft. Lauderdale) & back. Cape Coral is the largest city in the SW FL CSA, while Ft. Myers is the seat of Lee County. It takes about 2 hr 12 min (140 mi) from Cape Coral to Ft Lauderdale (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Fort...8537!3e0?hl=en) and back, and about 2 1/2 hr (157 mi) to Miami from Cape Coral (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Miam...8537!3e0?hl=en).
I've stated that Brightline, sooner or later could come in the future if SW FL continues to grow and there's a greater need for high speed rail transit to and from Miami, Hialeah, and Weston (Ft. Lauderdale doesn't have a direct rail line going to SW FL). According to the poll I posted, only 40% of voters believed that high speed rail would come to SW FL, but in certain parts of the NYC CSA, in the Poconos, Pike and Monroe Counties in PA don't have rail transit to and from NYC, but both counties in PA are a part of the NYC MS due to the heavy commuting done either to the city or to the other CBDs in the NYC CSA such as Jersey City, Newark, or other areas such as Edison County, New Brunswick, and Morristown. It wasn't too long ago when the Lehigh Valley (Lehigh and Northampton counties in PA) was a part of the NYC MSA due to commuting to NYC until it was separated by the US Census back in 2014 and remains it's own MSA rather than a part of the NYC CSA.
I believe that by 2030, since many corporations, companies, and startups are moving to South FL, and especially to Miami, I can foresee a similar scenario in which SW FL may become a part of a much bigger Miami - Port St Lucie - Cape Coral CSA. If those two CSAs become one CSA, then the current population would be about 8,044,845 according to the 2020 US Census, surpassing Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Houston CSAs and slightly behind Dallas - Ft. Worth CSA.
Since Cape Coral - Ft. Myers - Naples CSA is the fifth fastest growing CSA in the country right now with 3.24% of the population growing, and the possibility of many companies, corporations, or startups moving in and around Miami and South FL, there could be similar commuting patterns to what's currently happening in NYC CSA.
With or without the Brightline going in to SW FL, because Miami is emerging as a major employment center, and Ft. Lauderdale right behind Miami, it could happen to see those two CSAs combine into one bigger CSA. And if that happens by 2030, then the Miami - Port St. Lucie - Cape Coral CSA could be almost as big as the Washington - Baltimore - Arlington CSA, Chicago CSA, and the San Jose - San Francisco - Oakland CSA if it had 20% growth to 9,653,814 people living in the possible 11 county new CSA for southern FL.
The top link was what could happen if there was considerable commuting from SW FL to South FL (Miami and Ft. Lauderdale) & back. Cape Coral is the largest city in the SW FL CSA, while Ft. Myers is the seat of Lee County. It takes about 2 hr 12 min (140 mi) from Cape Coral to Ft Lauderdale (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Fort...8537!3e0?hl=en) and back, and about 2 1/2 hr (157 mi) to Miami from Cape Coral (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Miam...8537!3e0?hl=en).
I've stated that Brightline, sooner or later could come in the future if SW FL continues to grow and there's a greater need for high speed rail transit to and from Miami, Hialeah, and Weston (Ft. Lauderdale doesn't have a direct rail line going to SW FL). According to the poll I posted, only 40% of voters believed that high speed rail would come to SW FL, but in certain parts of the NYC CSA, in the Poconos, Pike and Monroe Counties in PA don't have rail transit to and from NYC, but both counties in PA are a part of the NYC MS due to the heavy commuting done either to the city or to the other CBDs in the NYC CSA such as Jersey City, Newark, or other areas such as Edison County, New Brunswick, and Morristown. It wasn't too long ago when the Lehigh Valley (Lehigh and Northampton counties in PA) was a part of the NYC MSA due to commuting to NYC until it was separated by the US Census back in 2014 and remains it's own MSA rather than a part of the NYC CSA.
I believe that by 2030, since many corporations, companies, and startups are moving to South FL, and especially to Miami, I can foresee a similar scenario in which SW FL may become a part of a much bigger Miami - Port St Lucie - Cape Coral CSA. If those two CSAs become one CSA, then the current population would be about 8,044,845 according to the 2020 US Census, surpassing Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Houston CSAs and slightly behind Dallas - Ft. Worth CSA.
Since Cape Coral - Ft. Myers - Naples CSA is the fifth fastest growing CSA in the country right now with 3.24% of the population growing, and the possibility of many companies, corporations, or startups moving in and around Miami and South FL, there could be similar commuting patterns to what's currently happening in NYC CSA.
With or without the Brightline going in to SW FL, because Miami is emerging as a major employment center, and Ft. Lauderdale right behind Miami, it could happen to see those two CSAs combine into one bigger CSA. And if that happens by 2030, then the Miami - Port St. Lucie - Cape Coral CSA could be almost as big as the Washington - Baltimore - Arlington CSA, Chicago CSA, and the San Jose - San Francisco - Oakland CSA if it had 20% growth to 9,653,814 people living in the possible 11 county new CSA for southern FL.
Two hours of non-contiguous development between SW FL and Miami makes this a BIG NO, at least in the foreseeable future and more likely any of our lifetimes. Also, the commuting patterns between both areas does not indicate that either benefits from the other for anything substantial. Naples to Bradenton is far more realistic CSA which bleeds into the Tampa Bay area.
Two hours of non-contiguous development between SW FL and Miami makes this a BIG NO, at least in the foreseeable future and more likely any of our lifetimes. Also, the commuting patterns between both areas does not indicate that either benefits from the other for anything substantial. Naples to Bradenton is far more realistic CSA which bleeds into the Tampa Bay area.
Key West to Miami is the farthest distance amongst the four cities I posted, and Key West, which takes a lot longer due to the US highway and the speed limit than Ft Myers, Naples, and Vero Beach, is a part of the Miami CSA. Ft Myers and Naples have shorter distances than Key West, so anything is possible, meaning that commuting patterns can be established to the point where the Cape Coral-Ft Myers-Naples CSA can consolidate with the Miami-Port St Lucie-Ft Lauderdale CSA at any moment!!!
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Key West to Miami is the farthest distance amongst the four cities I posted, and Key West, which takes a lot longer due to the US highway and the speed limit than Ft Myers, Naples, and Vero Beach, is a part of the Miami CSA. Ft Myers and Naples have shorter distances than Key West, so anything is possible, meaning that commuting patterns can be established to the point where the Cape Coral-Ft Myers-Naples CSA can consolidate with the Miami-Port St Lucie-Ft Lauderdale CSA at any moment!!!
Tampa Bay/Lakeland/Orlando/Daytona could certainly become a massive CSA before Naples/Miami, as they are already essentially contiguous in development and overtake Miami as the the larger population base in Florida.
Tampa Bay/Lakeland/Orlando/Daytona could certainly become a massive CSA before Naples/Miami, as they are already essentially contiguous in development and overtake Miami as the the larger population base in Florida.
Tampa Bay and Orlando are already their own separate regions and I don't see any plans to consolidate the two MSAs into one single MSA from Dayotna Beach to St. Pete Beach. It may not happen as the two areas already have their own identities plus the risk of sprawl that may form if both regions were to consolidate. It's much more of a reality for the Tampa Bay MSA (Tampa, St Pete, and Clearwater) and Lakeland MSA (Polk County) to consolidate with the Sarasota - North Port MSA into one big CSA since rather than bunching Orlando and Tampa Bay together.
Plus, as long as Miami has the second largest concentration of international banks only behind NYC, as well as Miami being the second most visited destination in the US, and a major lifestyle center, an emerging tech, finance, and crypto center, Tampa Bay and Orlando, while continually growing and having growing economies in their own rights, won't surpass Miami/South FL in importance nor even people.
As with all things MSA and CSA Key West being in the Miami CSA is misleading. The commuters coming from Key West micro are not coming from Key West, but from Key Largo which is 69 miles from Miami.
As with all things MSA and CSA Key West being in the Miami CSA is misleading. The commuters coming from Key West micro are not coming from Key West, but from Key Largo which is 69 miles from Miami.
It may sound misleading, but the rules stipulate that there's a certain percentage of people (not sure how much or how many people from a particular locale can commute to a certain CBD), but since Key Largo is in Monroe County and not in Miami Dade County, and whether a majority of commuters from Monroe County are coming from Key Largo or Key West, the point is that Miami is the epicenter and nexus of the South Florida MSA and CSA!!!
The point from Naples to Ft Lauderdale is about 109 miles. If there was a significant amount of commuters that went to either Ft Lauderdale or Miami mainly for work and back, we could see the Miami CSA and the Cape Coral - Ft Myers - Naples CSA combine into one huge CSA (Miami - Port St Lucie - Cape Coral CSA) by 2030.
Since Key Largo has about 12k people according to the 2020 census, growing close to 20% from the 2010 census, and since Key Largo is only 69 miles, it's only fitting that Key Largo is a part of the Miami MSA/CSA. If the Brightline proposed two branches, one to Naples, and another to Ft Myers, that would help boost those two locales populations and further connect SW and South FL the same way SW CT and North Jersey are connected to NYC, NW IN and Kenosha County, WI are connected to Chicago, and how the Inland Empire is connected to LA. It's only a matter of time plus commuting patterns and since Key Largo is a much smaller town than Naples (which Collier County is rapidly growing, BTW; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collie...a#Demographics), it's only fitting that Collier and Lee Counties become the Miami CSA's exurbs in the near future, especially with escalating costs in Miami.
It may sound misleading, but the rules stipulate that there's a certain percentage of people (not sure how much or how many people from a particular locale can commute to a certain CBD), but since Key Largo is in Monroe County and not in Miami Dade County, and whether a majority of commuters from Monroe County are coming from Key Largo or Key West, the point is that Miami is the epicenter and nexus of the South Florida MSA and CSA!!!
The point from Naples to Ft Lauderdale is about 109 miles. If there was a significant amount of commuters that went to either Ft Lauderdale or Miami mainly for work and back, we could see the Miami CSA and the Cape Coral - Ft Myers - Naples CSA combine into one huge CSA (Miami - Port St Lucie - Cape Coral CSA) by 2030.
Since Key Largo has about 12k people according to the 2020 census, growing close to 20% from the 2010 census, and since Key Largo is only 69 miles, it's only fitting that Key Largo is a part of the Miami MSA/CSA. If the Brightline proposed two branches, one to Naples, and another to Ft Myers, that would help boost those two locales populations and further connect SW and South FL the same way SW CT and North Jersey are connected to NYC, NW IN and Kenosha County, WI are connected to Chicago, and how the Inland Empire is connected to LA. It's only a matter of time plus commuting patterns and since Key Largo is a much smaller town than Naples (which Collier County is rapidly growing, BTW; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collie...a#Demographics), it's only fitting that Collier and Lee Counties become the Miami CSA's exurbs in the near future, especially with escalating costs in Miami.
Time will tell. Stanger things have happened so who knows.
I believe that threshold is 25% or greater...
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