How far has anyone gone back? (father)

[PA2UK]

Originally Posted by OhioJB

Not sure why they left Pennsylvania to do the exact same thing,

Second sons, perhaps? The abundant farm land in the east was quickly used up - within only a few generations, a progenitors vast acres may have been split up among his descendants to the point where it could not be broken up into anymore smaller pieces. So fathers started giving all their land to their first born son instead, leaving any second sons to make their own way. Many moved west to find more cheap farm land. Ohio was particularly popular for this during the early 19th century, as it was just being settled during that time.

[PacoMartin]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Is it possible to go back to Adam and Eve?

There were a number of popular genealogies published in the Victorian era purporting to trace Adam and Eve to the royal family. If you are English it has been estimated that you have a 99.999% chance of being descended from one of the medieval English kings. So many average people can latch onto this genealogy to make their own family tree back to A&E.

The bloodline below is by no means unique, as there are over 2 million known bloodlines leading from William I (the Conqueror) to Prince William and Prince George.

The bloodlines of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are well known. The generations from Adam to Noah where people lived hundreds of years are considered by many people to be mythology. The bloodlines from th 6th and 7th century AD in England probably are historically valid. But much of the interconnecting lines are probably myths.

1. Adam (B. C. 4000-3070), Eve.
2. Seth (B. C. 3869-2957).
3. Enos (B. C. 3764-2859).
4. Canaan (B. C. 3674-2895).
5. Mahalaleel (B. C. 3604-2709).
6. Jared (B. C. 3539-2577).
7. Enoch (B. C. 3377-3012).
8. Methusaleh (B. C. 3312-2344).
9. Lamech (B. C. 3125-2349).
10. Noah (B. C. 2943-2007), Naamah.
11. Shem (B. C. 2441-1841).
12. Arphaxad (B. C.2341-1903).
13. Salah (B. C.2306-1873).
14. Heber (B. C. 2276-1812).
15. Peleg (B. C. 2241-2003).
16. Reu (B. C. 2212-1973).
17. Serug (B. C. 2180-2049).
18. Nahor (B. C. 2050-2002).
19. Terah (B. C. 2221-1992), Amtheta.
20. Abraham (B. C. 1992-1817), Sarah.
21. Isaac (B. C. 1896-1716), Rebekah.
22. Jacob (B. C. 1837-1690), Leah.
23. Judah (b. B. C. 1752), Tamar.
24. Pharez.
25. Hezron.
26. Aram.
27. Aminadab.
28. Naasson.
29. Salmon.
30. Boaz (B. C. 1312), Ruth.
31. Obed.
32. Jesse.
33. King David (B. C. 1085-1015), Bathsheba.
34. King Solomon (B. C. 1033-975), Naamah.
35. King Rehoboam (b. B. C. 1016, d. 958), Maacah.
36. King Abijah (B. C. 958-955).
37. King Asa (B. C. 955-914), Azubah.
38. King Jehoshaphat (B. C. 914-889).
39. King Jehoram (B. C. 889-885), Athaliah.
40. King Ahaziah (B. C. 906-884), Zibiah.
41. King Joash (B. C. 885-839), Jehoaddan.
42. King Amaziah (b. B. C. 864, d. 810), Jecholiah.
43. King Uzziah (b. B. C. 826, d. 758), Jerusha.
44. King Jotham (b. B. C. 783, d. 742).
45. King Ahaz (b. B. C. 787, d. 726), Abi.
46. King Hezekiah (b. B. C. 751, d. 698), Hephzibah.
47. King Manasseh (b. B. C. 710, d. 643), Meshullemeth.
48. King Amon (b. B. C. 621, d. 641), Jedidiah.
49. King Josiah (b. B. C. 649, d. 610), Mamutah.
50. King Zedekiah (B. C. 599-578).
51. Queen Tea Tephi (b. B. C. 565), marries Eochaidh, a Prince of the scarlet thread, later King Heremon, descended from Zerah.
52. King Irial Faidh (reigned 10 years).
53. King Eithriall (reigned 20 years).
54. Follain.
55. King Tighernmas (reigned 50 years).
56. Eanbotha.
57. Smiorguil.
58. King Fiachadh Labhriane (reigned 24 years).
59. King Aongus Ollmuchaidh (reigned 21 years).
60. Maoin.
61. King Rotheachta (reigned 25 years).
62. Dein.
63. King Siorna Saoghalach (reigned 21 years).
64. Oholla Olchaoin.
65. King Giallchadh (reigned 9 years).
66. King Aodhain Glas (reigned 20 years).
67. King Simeon Breac (reigned 7 years).
68. King Muirteadach Bolgrach (reigned 4 years).
69. King Fiachadh Toigrach (reigned 7 years).
70. King Duach Laidhrach (reigned 10 years).
71. Eochaidh Buailgllerg.
72. King Ugaine More the Great (reigned 30 years).
73. King Cobhthach Coalbreag (reigned 30 years).
74. Meilage.
75. King Jaran Gleofathach (reigned 7 years).
76. King Coula Cruaidh Cealgach (reigned 25 years).
77. King Oiliolla Caisfhiachach (reigned 28 years).
78. King Eochaidh Foltleathan (reigned 11 years).
79. King Aongns Tuirmheach Teamharch (reigned 30 years).
80. King Eana Aighneach (reigned 28 years).
81. Labhra Suire.
82. Blathucha.
83. Easamhuin Famhua.
84. Roighnein Ruadh.
85. Finlogha.
86. Fian.
87. King Eodchaidh Feidhlioch (reigned 12 years).
88. Fineamhuas.
89. King Lughaidh Raidhdearg.
90. King Criomhthan Niadhnar (reigned 16 years).
91. Fearaidhach Fion Feachtnuigh.
92. King Fiachadh Fionoluidh (reigned 20 years).
93. King Tuathal Teachtmar (reigned 40 years).
94. King Coun Ceadchathach (reigned 20 years).
95. King Arb Aonflier (reigned 30 years).
96. King Cormae Usada (reigned 40 years).
97. King Caibre Liffeachair (reigned 27 years).
98. King Fiachadh Sreabthuine (reigned 30 years.)
99. King Muireadhach Tireach (reigned 30 years).
100. King Eochaidh Moigmeodhin (reigned 7 years.)
101. King Nail of the Nine Hostages.
102. Eogan.
103. K. Murireadhach.
104. Earca.
105. King Fergus More
106. King Dongard
107. King Conran
108. King Aidan (d. 604).
109. King Eugene IV. (d. 622).
110. King Donald IV. (d. 650).
111. Dongard.
112. King Eugene. V. (d. 692).
113. Findan.
114. King Eugene VII. (d. A. D. 721), Spondan.
115. K. Etfinus (d. A. D. 761), Fergina.
116. King Achaius (d. A. D. 819), Fergusia.
117. King Alpin (d. A. D. 834).,============================== probably accurate from here
118. King Kenneth I. (842-858).
119. King Constantin I. (862-876).
120. King Donald II. (889-900).
121. King Malcolm I. (943-954).
122. King Kenneth II. (971-995, d. A. D. 995).
123. King Malcolm II. (1005-1034, d. A. D. 1034).
124. Bethoc, married to Crinan, Mormaer of Atholl and lay abott of Dunkeld.
125. King Duncan I. (1034-1040, d. A. D. 1040), Sybil.
126. King Malcolm III. Canmore (A. D. 1058-1093), Margaret of England.
127. King David I. (1124-1153, d. A. D. 1153), Matilda of Huntingdon.
128. Prince Henry (d. A. D. 1152), Ada of Surrey.
129. Earl David of Huntingdon (d. A. D. 1219), Matilda of Chester.
130. Isobel m. Robert Bruce III.
131. Robert Bruce IV. m. Isobel of Gloucester.
132. Robert Bruce V. m. Martha of Carrick.
133. King Robert I. (The Bruce) (A. D. 1306-1329), Isobel, daughter of Earl of Mar.
134. Marjorie Bruce m. Walter Stewart III.
135. K. Robert II. (b. 1317, 1371-1390, d. A. D. 1390), Euphemia of Ross (d. A. D. 1376).
136. K. Robert III. (b. 1337, 1390-1406, d. A. D. 1406), Annabella Drummond (d. A. D. 1401).
137. King James I of Scotland (A. D. 1406-1437), (16g grandson of King Alfred The Great) m. Joan Beaufort
138. King James II of Scotland m. Mary of Gueldres
139. King James III of Scotland m. Margaret Princess of Denmark
140. King James IV of Scotland. (b. 1473, 1488-1513, d. A. D. 1543), Margaret of England (d. A. D. 1539).
141. King James V of Scotland. (b. 1513, 1513-1542, d. A. D. 1542), Mary of Lorraine (d. A. D. 1560).
142. Queen Mary (also known as Mary, Queen of Scots) (b. 1542, 1542-1567, d. A. D. 1587), Lord Henry Darnley (d. 1567). (Mary became Queen when she was just six days old. She was deposed as Queen in 1567 and was executed in 1587 ).
143. King James VI. and I. (A. D. 1603-1625), Ann of Denmark. James became James I of England (A. D. 1603-1625) in 1603 while still King James VI of Scotland.
144. Princess Elizabeth (d. 1662), Frederick V, Elector Palatine.
145. Princess Sophia, (d. 1714), m. Duke Ernest of Brunswick (d. 1698).
146. King George I. (1714-1727), Sophia Dorothea of Zelle (1667-1726).
147. King George II. (b. 1683, 1727-1760), Princess Caroline of Brandenburg-Anspach (1683-1737).
148. Prince Frederick Lewis of Wales (1707-1751), Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha-Altenberg.
149. King George III. (b. 1738, 1760-1820), Princess Sophia of Mecklenburgh-Strelitz (1744-1818).
150. Duke Edward of Kent (1767-1820), Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg (d. 1861)
151. Queen Victoria (b. 1819, 1837-1901), Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha.
152. King Edward VII. (b. 1841, 1901-1910), Princess Alexandra
153. King George V. (b. 1865, 1910-1936), Princess Mary
154. King George VI. (b. 1895, 1936-1952), Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (The Queen Mother) (b. 1900, d. 2002)
155. Queen Elizabeth II (b. 1926, reigned from 1952), Philip Duke of Edinburgh
156. Prince Charles of Wales (b. 1948) Princess Diana (d. 1997)
157. William, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1982) m. Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge (née Middleton)
158. Prince George Alexander Louis of Cambridge

[OhioJB]

Originally Posted by PA2UK

Second sons, perhaps? The abundant farm land in the east was quickly used up - within only a few generations, a progenitors vast acres may have been split up among his descendants to the point where it could not be broken up into anymore smaller pieces. So fathers started giving all their land to their first born son instead, leaving any second sons to make their own way. Many moved west to find more cheap farm land. Ohio was particularly popular for this during the early 19th century, as it was just being settled during that time.

That scenario does make sense for a lot of situations. Although in my ancestor Thomas' case I believe he was alone, and had a farm next to the one of the family he married the daughter of. Both Thomas and the other land owner apparently sold their properties and moved to Ohio travelling together. A lot of possible reasons, maybe hoping for larger, cheaper acreage; the land they were farming on wasn't ideal; they sold the land to people who wanted to start a town, etc.

I do believe Thomas probably came to America from England sometime around the late 1600's as there was a record of him in either 1700 or 1701 in Baltimore. If I ever get into researching genealogy myself it'll be one of my main focuses. And if I ever win the lottery I'll pay an expert to do it properly. Some people enjoy the process more than anything it seems, I think I'd just enjoy knowing and seeing the family tree and any info about those in it.

[RDM66]

Originally Posted by brownbagg

family tree is paperwork, my mom had her side back to 1300, with family bibles, when she died, my brother threw it all in the trash...

I'm going through something like this with my family. About 25 years ago when my grandmother died, my aunt (her daughter-in-law) "cleaned house." If it wasn't valuable, she tossed it. I know that a lot of family photos, letters, and other documents were burned in the backyard.

Grandma was a pack rat who kept everything. It makes me sick to think of what my aunt destroyed.

About 3 years ago my dad had a heart attack and almost died. I asked him if he wanted me to contact this "house-cleaning aunt" (his brother's wife) and let her know that he was in the hospital. He replied: "If I never see that b-tch again, I will die happy."

I know the feeling. No one in the family has spoke to her in about 25 years.

[Tia 914]

Originally Posted by brownbagg

family tree is paperwork, my mom had her side back to 1300, with family bibles, when she died, my brother threw it all in the trash, so that side lost. dad side back to 1650 but a lot of civil war era file was lost, when they burned the courthouses

I can relate. My so-called brother ended up with everything I was supposed to inherit re: family history (many photo albums plus the many years' of research my mother had on paper. And it's not even anything he would have wanted to keep for himself.)

Plus both of my parents' individual Bibles.

[in_newengland]

Originally Posted by Tia 914

I can relate. My so-called brother ended up with everything I was supposed to inherit re: family history (many photo albums plus the many years' of research my mother had on paper. And it's not even anything he would have wanted to keep for himself.)

Plus both of my parents' individual Bibles.

What sad stories. Isn't there some way you can get the family history information? If he's not even interested, why does he want it?

I can almost relate because when I told people that I was going to find out where the family came from, an older cousin said I was opening a can of worms and I shouldn't do it. But of course I went ahead and did it anyway. Once she realized that I was working on it and was serious about it she actually gave me some old pictures that had belonged to her mother and the most amazing "note." That note was like the Rosetta Stone to me because it was written in the mid 19th C and connected two parts of the family.

So if they realize that you are serious about tracing the family history maybe they'll conclude that there's usually someone in every family who is the family historian. In your case, that person is you!

[Eric304]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

As someone who does take the Bible literally and as such believes in Adam and Eve then I also believe that people kept records of such events. If you were to look at the Bible one of the concepts that is taught is knowing where you come from. Geneology is all over the scriptures. People did infact read and teach their decendents who they were and where they came from. That being said I would think that someone would have to be able to connect the dots to a line mentioned within the Bible. I am wondering if that is infact possible to do.

Any trace back to Adam and Eve would require records that can last the test of time, be safely passed on to the next generation unaltered and unscathed, and be still LEGIBLE, and then be deciphered. Since it is not known with exact specificity what time frame Adam and Eve lived, i can safely say one cannot trace their lineage back that far in time. Some things are just lost over time.

[Eric304]

Any trace back to Adam and Eve would require records that can last the test of time, be safely passed on to the next generation unaltered and unscathed, and be still LEGIBLE, and then be deciphered. Since it is not known with exact specificity what time frame Adam and Eve lived, i can safely say one cannot trace their lineage back that far in time. Some things are just lost over time.

[SunGrins]

Family history/genealogy and family myth/stories are two different things. Both are fun and with them and $2.00 you can get a cup of coffee. I can get reliably back to the 11th century on a couple lines if you believe some of the noble family genealogies. I can get to 1295 on existing land records. Family myth goes to some Viking Sea King in or around the 600s - no solid evidence he even existed. Then there is the clan history connecting to good old Niall of the Nine Hostages in the 300s...also linked as a kinsman of sorts by my DNA Y haplogroup... supposedly.

[Sandpointian]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

I have often heard of people that claim to have their geneology going back to Adam and Eve. I often wondered how is that possible. One good friend who spent the past 2 decades working on his family line has been able to make it back to the late 1600's. I for one find that facinating.

1. How far have you gone back?

2. Is it possible to go back to Adam and Eve?

3. If a family member told you that they have completed it back that far would you take it as the truth or want to see for yourself?

4. Do you concentrate on a single line or do you work on all family lines?

me for my Mom: 1790

my Dad: 1390