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Old 01-07-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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What documents? Wikipedia? Again, that's not a reliable source. There is no primary source supporting that claim.
There other sources that had the same three links.
https://asso.roglo.eu/page/350795-l-association


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You answered your own question, and I'm entitled to respond to that answer.
Yes, you are entitled. I did note that there has been much research done over this point:

Isaac Komnenos was married c. 1110 to Irene, who may have been either:
  • Kata, a daughter of David IV of Georgia (r. 1089–1125).
  • the anonymous daughter of Volodar of Peremyshl (r. 1085–1124), known from the Slavonic Primary Chronicle to have married "the son of Emperor Alexios",

But I would still love to see a bloodline that goes back before 500AD that people feel is more certifiable.
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Old 01-07-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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There other sources that had the same three links.
https://asso.roglo.eu/page/350795-l-association
That's not in English so unfortunately I have no idea what it says.
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Old 01-07-2019, 04:28 PM
 
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That's not in English so unfortunately I have no idea what it says.
No, but you could use the database to search on the same bloodline. The important thing is that it is another genealogy source besides Wikipedia that makes the same connections.
  • Bakur II Chosroid, King d'Ibérie (ruled from 534 to 547)
  • son (name unknown) Chosroid
  • P'arsman VI Chosroid, King d'Ibérie
  • Bakur III Chosroid, King d'Ibérie †580
  • Adarnase I Chosroid, prince d'Ibérie
  • Stephen II Chosroid, prince d'Ibérie
  • Adarnase II Chosroid, prince d'Ibérie
  • Stephen I Chosroid, prince de Kakheti
  • Mirian I Chosroid, prince de Kakheti
  • daughter (name unknown) Chosroid
  • Adarnase III Nersianid, prince d'Ibérie
  • Nerse Nersianid, Prince d'Ibérie
  • daughter (name unknown) Nersianid
  • Ashot I Bagratid, Prince d'Ibérie †830


Try Google Translate if you don't speak French.
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Old 01-08-2019, 06:15 AM
 
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Default Another source

There are other sources besides Wikipedia

https://www.geni.com/people/Isaak-Ko...00002187823205
Isaak Leo Komnenos, Sebastokrator of the Byzantine Empire, Husband of Kata Irena of Georgia
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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Geni is just a crowd sourced family tree - without reliable/primary sources cited (and they are not in this case), the information can not be confirmed. Every genealogist knows not to take unsourced trees as factual without the right documentation to support it. Your sources are speculative, at best.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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There does not appear to be a source for that information though, and Wikipedia can be wrong about these things. For the last few years, I've been working on European royalty lineages and I've come across several flat out errors on Wikipedia, as well as speculative information that can't be confirmed with primary sources. You should always check Wikipedia against a more reliable source, like Medieval Lands - they are much more reliable than Wikipedia. If you have questions, you can contact the author: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy



Sure, but the fact that there's several uncertain links means you can't say with certainly it's the oldest known bloodline.
Exactly... wikipedia isn't a source it's simply an article that may refer other sources, like any article it's only as good as its sources, some are quite excellent others are quite bad.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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Exactly... wikipedia isn't a source it's simply an article that may refer other sources, like any article it's only as good as its sources, some are quite excellent others are quite bad.
I only cited Wikipedia for the original question because it was easy to read.

I am still interested in bloodlines that people consider to be among the most reliable that go back to antiquity.

This one is not missing any names, but a lot of dates. It leads from William the Conqueror back to the Roman Empire. Obviously, there are hundreds of thousands of bloodlines from William the Conqueror to Prince William.

  1. William the conqueror, King of England 1027-1087
  2. Robert, Duke of Normandy ca 1012-1035
  3. Judith de Rennes 982/987-1017
  4. Ermengarde d'Anjou ca 960-ca 1024
  5. Adèle de Vermandois, comtesse de Châlons 945/-975
  6. Adélaïde de Bourgogne, comtesse de Châlons ca 928-987
  7. Ermengarde de Bourgogne, comtesse d'Autun
  8. Adélaïde de Bourgogne
  9. Conrad II le Jeune de Bourgogne, duc de Bourgogne Transjurane 825-880
  10. Adélaïde de Tours †
  11. Ava de Morvois ca 778-839
  12. Girard, comte de Paris 740-779
  13. Liutfrid, duc d'Alsace ca 700-767
  14. Adalbert I, duc d'Alsace ca 665-ca 722
  15. Adalric, duc d'Alsace 635-690
  16. Hultrude (Burgondes)
  17. Leudegarde de Frioul ca 600
  18. Gisulf II, duc de Frioul
  19. Romhilde d'Austrasie
  20. Radbod d'Austrasie
  21. Mummolin, duc d'Austrasie
  22. Lucilia de Narbonne †526
  23. Tonance Ferréol ca 465-517/
  24. Papianilla des Arvernes ca 425
  25. Ommatius des Arvernes ca 400-468/
  26. Flavius Julius Agricola 365-421
  27. Flavius Eparchius Philagrius de Rome ca 338-385 & Egnatia Avita Severa
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:31 AM
 
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The oldest I can think of goes back to the Shahs of Persia via the Kingdom of Iberia

The body of water is the eastern Black Sea

  1. Narseh (Persian: نرسه‎, Narsē) was the 7th Sasanian king of Ērānshahr (modern day Iran) (293–302)
  2. Hormizd II Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia †309
  3. Shapur II the Great Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia †379
  4. Shapur III Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia †388
  5. Yazdegerd I Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia †420
  6. Bahram V Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia 400-438
  7. Yazdegerd II Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia †457
  8. Hormizd III Sassanian, empereur (shah) de Persia
  9. Balendoukht Sassanian (daughter)
  10. Dach'i II Chosroid, King d'Ibérie (ruled from c. 522 to 534)
  11. Bakur II Chosroid, King d'Ibérie (ruled from 534 to 547)
  12. son (name unknown) Chosroid
  13. P'arsman VI Chosroid, King d'Ibérie
  14. Bakur III Chosroid, King d'Ibérie †580
  15. Adarnase I Chosroid, prince d'Ibérie
  16. Stephen II Chosroid, prince d'Ibérie
  17. Adarnase II Chosroid, prince d'Ibérie
  18. Stephen I Chosroid, prince de Kakheti
  19. Mirian I Chosroid, prince de Kakheti
  20. daughter (name unknown) Chosroid
  21. Adarnase III Nersianid, prince d'Ibérie
  22. Nerse Nersianid, Prince d'Ibérie
  23. daughter (name unknown) Nersianid
  24. Ashot I Bagratid, Prince d'Ibérie †830
  25. Bagrat I Bagratid, Prince d'Ibérie †876
  26. David I Bagratid, Prince d'Ibérie †881
  27. Adarnassé IV Bagratid, king of Georgia †923
  28. Smbat I Bagratid, king of Georgia †958
  29. Bagrat II Bagratid, king of Georgia †994
  30. Gurgen Bagratid, king of Georgia †1008
  31. Bagrat III Bagratid, king of Georgia 960-1014
  32. Giorgi I Bagratid, king of Georgia 998/1002-1027
  33. Bagrat IV Bagratid, king of Georgia 1018-1072 (roughly contemporary of William the Conqueror 1028 – 9 September 1087)
  34. Giorgi II Bagratid, king of Georgia ca 1054-1112
  35. David IV, The Builder, Bagratid, king of Georgia 1073-1125
  36. Kata Bagratid (daughter) (married Isaac Komnenos: records uncertain )
  37. Helena Komnena (daughter)†1183 married Yuri Dolgorukiy the founder of Moscow
  38. Vsevolod III The Big Nest (Rurikides) 1154-1212
  39. Iaroslav II (Rurikides) 1191-1246
  40. Iaroslav III (Rurikides), prince de Tver †1271
  41. Mikhaïl I (Rurikides) 1271-1319
  42. Alexandre II (Rurikides) 1301-1339
  43. Juliana (daughter) (Rurikides) ca 1330-1392
  44. Władysław II Jagiełło, King of Poland ca 1351-1434
  45. Kazimierz IV Jagiellończyk, King of Poland 1427-1492 (roughly a contemporary of Henry VII January 28,1457 to April 21, 1509)
  46. Barbara Jagiellonka (daughter), Duchess of Saxony 1478-1534
  47. Christina of Saxony(daughter) 1505-1549
  48. Elisabeth of Hesse(daughter), Electress Palatine 1539-1582
  49. Frederick IV, Elector Palatine 1574-1610
  50. Frederick V ( 1596-1632) was the Elector Palatine of the Rhine, the Holy Roman Empire from 1610 to 1623, and reigned as King of Bohemia from 1619 to 1620. In his role of King of Bohemia he is best known as the “Winter King”. His wife was a daughter of King James.
  51. Sophie of Hanover 1630-1714

By the Act of Settlement 1701 all monarchs of Britain must be descended from Sophie of Hanover. Prince George of Cambridge (Born 22 July 2013) is normally considered to be 13 generations from Sophie via her son:
  1. King George I
  2. King George 2
  3. Frederick, Prince of Wales
  4. King George 3
  5. King George 4
  6. Queen Victoria
  7. King Edward 7
  8. King George 5
  9. King George 6
  10. Queen Elizabeth 2
  11. Prince Charles
  12. Prince William
  13. Prince George
I think the better question is what is the oldest of your own blood line that you've traced to?

I got to the 1700 with my mothers fathers line. Hungarian is hard.

I got to the 1486 with my hubs step grandma. Robert Sutton born 1486

My son has some pretty interesting lineage, I started to research what his grandma's sisters son told me. Sir Thomas Greenville 1430-1483 is his 15th great grandfather.

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Old 01-19-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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I think the better question is what is the oldest of your own blood line that you've traced to?

I got to the 1700 with my mothers fathers line. Hungarian is hard.

I got to the 1486 with my hubs step grandma. Robert Sutton born 1486

My son has some pretty interesting lineage, I started to research what his grandma's sisters son told me. Sir Thomas Greenville 1430-1483 is his 15th great grandfather.
1465 for me, Thomas Fytche: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fytche-5 - Wikitree goes back even further (abt 1404 for the Fytche line, and his wife's line, Algore, goes back to 1355) but I haven't confirmed it yet.
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