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Old 01-21-2022, 08:48 PM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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No blacks alive today were slaves in the USA. Neither are they African unless they immigrated here from Africa. They are soley Americans. Enough with the labels.
Then quit moving out of the neighborhood in groves when one black person buys a house in the neighborhood.
And quit having police harass and pull over One group of Americans that only amount 1/3 of the population.
Then and only Then we can move forward.

 
Old 01-21-2022, 08:56 PM
 
Location: La Mesa Aka The Table
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This is another case about special education for Spanish speakers. And it was just one school.
This happen in 1931, The court step in and said that Hispanic were consider white, and that the school district could not segregate them.
 
Old 01-25-2022, 11:42 AM
 
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Where I live, I sometimes hear the term "Anglo" as a catch-all reference to white Americans, but many (maybe most) white Americans have no ties to England apart from the adopted language their ancestors learned when they arrived. People who use that "Anglo" term make no distinction between Greek, Czech, Belgian, Russian, Irish, or German Americans. All of these labels carry perceptions and stereotypes that are not valid.
Yes, when they made up "hispanic" ethnicity, they also had to invent "non-hispanic" (or Anglo) ethnicity. So all people not of Spanish speaking origin are supposed to be part of the same ethnic group.
 
Old 01-25-2022, 01:03 PM
 
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I missed this before:

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Not officially - not on official, legal forms. Just because some racist idiots out there don't understand that "white" doesn't mean "Anglo-Saxon" or "Northwest European" doesn't make them correct.
No, it's usually anti-racist, left-leaning "progressives" who insist that obviously white Latin-Americans are non-white "people of color", "brown" victims of "exclusion", etc. They are considered minorities on the same level as black people, especially in an academic setting.

They even invented a "white-passing" term for them. Implying that a white Latin-American person just looks white (or "passing for white"), but is not. So Sofia Vergara is a white-passing "Latina" woman of color. Utter madness. But people take this seriously, today.

The "hispanic/latino" concept has become race.
 
Old 01-25-2022, 03:08 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I think the government is causing the confusion by listing "races" as black, white, "Hispanic" (which we know is ethnicity) - they are mixing up terms and making people choose one as "race."
No they are not - that's the whole point. On the US census, "Hispanic" is NOT listed under the question about race. It's a separate question about ethnicity. It's society that assumes it's considered a race when it is not.

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So if you are white but live in Mexico, you are wrongly dubbed "Hispanic."
That's what you're not understanding - you are Hispanic if you come from a Spanish speaking country, regardless of what race you are. You can be white and be Hispanic, you can be black and be Hispanic, you can be Native American and be Hispanic, you can be a mix of anything and be Hispanic. It is not wrong to call a white person from Mexico Hispanic.
 
Old 01-25-2022, 03:11 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I missed this before:



No, it's usually anti-racist, left-leaning "progressives" who insist that obviously white Latin-Americans are non-white "people of color", "brown" victims of "exclusion", etc. They are considered minorities on the same level as black people, especially in an academic setting.
Well, I'm an anti-racist, left leaning "progressive" and I wouldn't call a white Latin American a person of color. I would consider them probably still victims of discrimination, because discrimination is not exclusive to race.

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The "hispanic/latino" concept has become race.
Not according to the US census. People need to stop thinking that any group of people = a race.
 
Old 01-25-2022, 03:29 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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No blacks alive today were slaves in the USA.
Yeah because discrimination completely ended when slavery did.

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Neither are they African unless they immigrated here from Africa. They are soley Americans.
This is the genealogy forum. If you're not interesting in your ancestral origins beyond America, what are you doing here?

Apparently, you do have an interest in your European origins, because in the past you've talked about which DNA test to take: https://www.city-data.com/forum/genea...l#post50361013

So Americans of European descent are allowed to define themselves by their European origins, but Americans of African descent are not allowed to define themselves by their African origins.

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Enough with the labels.
Enough with the gaslighting that racial/ethnic issues are only a problem because minorities make it a problem, and not because racism and discrimination are still a systemic problem. "Let's pretend race, ethnicity, and racism don't exist" isn't a solution. While you're sticking your head in the sand by pretending race and ethnicity are just "labels" that don't matter, minorities are still being routinely discriminated against, and it's not going to stop until we address the issue and take steps to fix it. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
 
Old 01-25-2022, 03:31 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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You can be white and be Hispanic, you can be black and be Hispanic, you can be Native American and be Hispanic,
you can be a mix of anything and be Hispanic. It is not wrong to call a white person from Mexico Hispanic.
CAN be. Yes. otoh... One of my sides is nearly 40% Spanish & 10% Portugese but I'd never call myself Hispanic


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- you are Hispanic if you come from a Spanish speaking country, regardless of what race you are.
Not without ALSO having some degree of actual Spanish blood/dna mixed in with the indigenous & other.

It's sort of implied, like in the examples above ^^, that it would be there by default for anyone born in Honduras (as an example)
but what degree or percentage is enough to take the matter seriously beyond the idle curiosity of it all?
 
Old 01-25-2022, 07:17 PM
 
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Old 01-25-2022, 08:53 PM
 
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"Hispanic isn't a race" is probably the most frequent statement made on any give thread related to Hispanics. It is true, the US census says "Hispanics can be of any race". The US census also recognizes that the racial/ethnic definitions it uses "do not claim to be scientific, and are merely used for statistic purposes'.

Humans aren't clones or Lemmings (fine of classic video game) with all individuals looking or acting perfectly identical. Still, a category can make sense if/when there is a cluster of individuals sharing a particular trait. Hispanics can be of any race. So can Europeans, Africans or Asians. In fact, Europeans, Africans and Asians don't complain nearly as much as Hispanics do about being lumped into one supra-ethnic category, although they have many more reasons to do it. Europe, Africa ans Asia are home to many more cultures, languages and ethnicities than Hispanic America. In fact, many Hispanics can't even tell what country each they are from without revealing it.



This lady here is an African-American.

These ladies are European.
They aren't some rare execptions.

In fact, Europeans, Africans and Asians don't complain nearly as much as Hispanics do about being lumped into one supra-ethnic category. And heaven knows they have far more reasons to do it. Europe, Africa ans Asia are home to many more cultures, languages and ethnicities than Hispanic America. In fact, many Hispanics can't even tell what country each they are from without revealing it.
So why is there so much controversy around "Hispanic"? There is probably several reasons behind the discomfort some people feel about the term and it s racial connotation. People prefer to feel unique and do not like being stereotyped. It makes sense and is a perfectly valid feeling. I think there are other reasons. Hispanics generally speaking are reluctant to accept their indigenous ancestry (except the MECCHA type who sympathize with the idea to justify Hispanic immigration to the US where Natives are now seen as the "authentic americans"). A simple look at the cast of any soap opera will be an eye-opener. 90% of the actors look like 10% of the population of Mexico, Central America or COlombia. There's the idea that their ancestors were Spaniards and White and to look down on them "dark indios". Hispanics are fed this propaganda since birth. Therefore many Hispanics cringe at the idea to be considered as "Brown indios", because where they're from it's a dirty word and a dirty person.
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