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Old 06-28-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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But from what I read, NY is usually only in the middle of the pack for education results. When will the out of control spending stop?

Census Bureau: New York tops nation in per-pupil spending | democratandchronicle.com | Democrat and Chronicle
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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But from what I read, NY is usually only in the middle of the pack for education results. When will the out of control spending stop?

Census Bureau: New York tops nation in per-pupil spending | democratandchronicle.com | Democrat and Chronicle
That is misleading due to the NYC school district and NY also has the highest percentage of kids in AP courses....So, it depends on where you are in NY too.

There are also quite a few high performing schools throughout the state and even in the bigger urban school districts, you can find some very, very good schools and/or programs.

I do think that the performance of schools in the state can be better, but you also have to think about what effects the average. Think about schools in say Westchester County, which has pretty much good schools across the board, with some exceptions that would still be good in many, if not most states. Same with Long Island too. Those areas have a very high cost of living. So, it's going to skew the average versus say schools in Upstate NY, which still has plenty of good schools.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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I thought it would definitely be NJ, but no, NJ is #2

I agree with CKH.
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Old 06-28-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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That is misleading due to the NYC school district and NY also has the highest percentage of kids in AP courses....So, it depends on where you are in NY too.

There are also quite a few high performing schools throughout the state and even in the bigger urban school districts, you can find some very, very good schools and/or programs.

I do think that the performance of schools in the state can be better, but you also have to think about what effects the average. Think about schools in say Westchester County, which has pretty much good schools across the board, with some exceptions that would still be good in many, if not most states. Same with Long Island too. Those areas have a very high cost of living. So, it's going to skew the average versus say schools in Upstate NY, which still has plenty of good schools.
I thought of this, but if you look at the per pupil spending in the upstate communities, it is still far beyond the national average. The city of Rochester for example spends around 20k per pupil and has a horrible graduation rate. The suburbs seems to spend around the state average listed in the article, yet the cost of living is low.
There are some nationally ranked schools in the state. But you don't need the enormous spending to get those results. Public school districts in other states have some top schools and they don't spend nearly as much as they do in NY.
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Old 06-29-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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I thought of this, but if you look at the per pupil spending in the upstate communities, it is still far beyond the national average. The city of Rochester for example spends around 20k per pupil and has a horrible graduation rate. The suburbs seems to spend around the state average listed in the article, yet the cost of living is low.
There are some nationally ranked schools in the state. But you don't need the enormous spending to get those results. Public school districts in other states have some top schools and they don't spend nearly as much as they do in NY.
While true, what about the volume of top schools? There are schools that are still very good in NY that don't get the recognition. For instance, the school I went to outside of Syracuse averages in the low 90's in terms of percentage of graduates in 4 years and out of that about 90% of them go to college. It hardly gets recognized nationally though(recently), but it is still a school of high quality. I'm sure it's the same in other metros in the state too.

Other states have their share of poor urban schools too. So, unfortunately, that is a national issue that needs to be addressed.

Don't get me wrong though, I think that the spending does need to be curbed a bit and charter options should be available in the major cities in the state at a high volume then they are now. It keeps everyone honest, imo.
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