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It is that way in Utah, but not in Southern Idaho (except for maybe the extreme SE corner near Logan).
The Boise area is a refreshing live and let live region. I know you are referring the LDS government and it's empire, but Southern Idaho, especially within LDS culture, is a different beast when compared to the peculiarities of Utah.
That's valid. Sorry, as a former resident of Logan I consider Southern Idaho to basically be Preston, Pocatello, Idaho Falls, and Rexburg. Boise is "Western Idaho" haha. I'm not saying I'm right, but that's how I've grouped the regions in my head. Thanks for correcting that.
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Similar attitude in much of the Puget Sound area. Making it even worse, this pressure to conform to their allegedly-nonconformist "community" parades under various PC fronts to hide what is, essentially, a form of bullying, albeit without the physical threats.
Whether left wing or right wing, gang mentality lives on.
There's a lot of truth to this. Being on the left-center side of things I tend to give a free pass to extremist liberals, but you're correct, Seattle would be a good example of a place where residents have a very "live and believe like me or else you will be shunned" mentality on life. When you get into certain isolated areas you are only welcome if you adopt their defined system, and this isn't a live-and-let-live attitude. Left or right, extremism is extremism is extremism.
There's a lot of truth to this. Being on the left-center side of things I tend to give a free pass to extremist liberals, but you're correct, Seattle would be a good example of a place where residents have a very "live and believe like me or else you will be shunned" mentality on life. When you get into certain isolated areas you are only welcome if you adopt their defined system, and this isn't a live-and-let-live attitude. Left or right, extremism is extremism is extremism.
I would agree with that. From San Francisco northward, there is a much more activist liberalism in the culture. Southern California, although generally liberal, is more live-and-let-live.
I once had a political science professor who said the two most closed-minded cities he ever lived in were the small town in Georgia where he grew up, and San Francisco, California.
Often times (on this forum and other sites), I hear the Western states of Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, etc., as well as the West Coast states of California, Oregon, and Washington, described as more "libertarian" and "live and let live" in their social attitudes than other states, particularly when it comes to religion, but also (to some extent) politics, community ties, and also in everyday social situations, where people often seem less formal out here in the West.The common theme seems to be one of social and cultural individualism in the Western states.
How true would you say this is, in your experience? .
I'll only speak on Colorado. No, there's no big libertarian feel or attitude that I've seen in the state. And I've certainly been looking. You pretty much have the same old Democrat and Republican lines in the sands. The only good thing that I see is that people talk about politics less than where I previously lived.
People are "live and let live", but they're also "judge and inspect for transplants and outsiders" (those coming from other states and especially other areas). It's not something natives and long-timers do on purpose, but their built-in instincts are to separate the natives from the newcomers. Then, once you've been selected, treat the familiar ones with respect and elevation, and those from elsewhere with suspicion and lowered status. Again, the process is not consciously going in their heads, but that's what happens nonetheless. It's a weird vibe. "Live and let live" is good, but that's not enough to rescue a place from weirdness. I'd rather have people open up a bit and share what they're thinking - even at the risk of being rude - than put on a fake smiling face and try to hide that they can't stand me because I'm a little different from the local masses.
I see much less individualism in CO compared to where I'm from. I'm used to a lot of variety in culture and diversity. What I see in Colorado is basically one culture, and an overwhelming plain vanilla mindset. There's not much variety between people at all (land of the clones), and newcomers are expected to adapt to the way things are done here, to fit in and get in line. I've picked up the same vibe in the PNW too, in Oregon. People seem to be cut out of the same fabric. Maybe it's the colder weather too. I'm from warmer locations.
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As a gay man living in New Mexico I haven't encountered any homophobia here or any religious zealouts. There is a heavy catholic contingent here but even that doesn't really make life opressive here by any stretch. This state seems to have a higher native population than most western states but even with that factored in it's still laid back and very live and let live out here, I love that.
Strangely when you cross the state line into west Texas, it has turned from live-and-let-live libertarian to Southern Baptist hotbed correlating with the rise of the GOP in Texas. Looks like Southern values made their way westward instead of the tempered live-and-let-live mindset filtering its way through the South.
Yet conservatives still rail against "big government" (on issues that affect them) but don't mind imposing big government on people who don't share their culture/values. (Good luck complaining back!)
Strangely when you cross the state line into west Texas, it has turned from live-and-let-live libertarian to Southern Baptist hotbed correlating with the rise of the GOP in Texas. Looks like Southern values made their way westward instead of the tempered live-and-let-live mindset filtering its way through the South.
Yet conservatives still rail against "big government" (on issues that affect them) but don't mind imposing big government on people who don't share their culture/values. (Good luck complaining back!)
you dont even have to cross the Texas state line to find the Bible Belt feel....towns like Roswell,Carlsbad,Hobbs,Artesia,Clovis,Portales,Jal , and Lovington,New Mexico.They call that part of the Zia State "Little Texas"
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you dont even have to cross the Texas state line to find the Bible Belt feel....towns like Roswell,Carlsbad,Hobbs,Artesia,Clovis,Portales,Jal , and Lovington,New Mexico.They call that part of the Zia State "Little Texas"
Yeah I guess that would be a buffer zone. I don't get east of I-25 much in this state honestly as 30 miles east of ABQ may as well be West Texas. What I posted four years ago still feels very much the same. We have a good mix of liberal and conservatives here in ABQ, but it's not a conformity mindset they just don't really clash here as much as other states.
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