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Agreed, what is with this previous comment about Dallas being "Eastern"? What a hoot. There is a line, probably I-40, with everthing South of this should never be considered "Eastern".
I do agree that Dallas is not Eastern, but I don't agree with the whole south not being eastern. There are many cities south of I-40 that have both an eastern feel, and is located on the east side geographically.
The financial district of San Francisco (which I visited in 2004) looks like downtown Cleveland in photos. Once you start showing the water, though, you know it's not some lake or Atlantic Ocean.
When I think of Eastern cities, several things come to mind immediately:
Old
Dense
Row houses
Ghettos
Rudeness
High costs (for everything)
Most of the above does not hold for Pittsburgh.
Old? Yes
Dense? Used to be, not so much now
Row houses? Some
Ghettos? Yes
Rudeness? Not to hear them talk about it on their forum
High costs (for everything)? Among the lowest housing costs in the nation. Nothing there seems to cost more than here in Denver.
interesting...
here's how i see Pittsburgh
Old? Yes, that's something I love about it
Dense? no doubt
row houses? lots
Ghettos? some
Rudeness? Pretty friendly from my experience
High costs? Nothing Compared to DC!
pittsburgh is very, very eastern, although when i think east, i don't think Rude
The financial district of San Francisco (which I visited in 2004) looks like downtown Cleveland in photos. Once you start showing the water, though, you know it's not some lake or Atlantic Ocean.
You're not seeing it because you are not looking at streetscape photo of the downtown financial district. You WANT to look at water and skyline photos, but this assignment requires other kinds of research.
I think the San Francisco downtown street photos are in the city-data archive.
Looks just like Chicago or Cleveland to me. No, I am NOT talking about Telegraph Hill or the Golden Gate. Financial District! Buildings, streetlights ... looks like any other eastern city to me.
Old? Yes, that's something I love about it
Dense? no doubt
row houses? lots
Ghettos? some
Rudeness? Pretty friendly from my experience
High costs? Nothing Compared to DC!
pittsburgh is very, very eastern, although when i think east, i don't think Rude
I don't get that fast paced vibe in Pittsburgh like I do with cities on the east coast (DC, Philly, NYC, Boston). Also it is relatively cheap compared to New England and New York. I think Pittsburgh is more of a Midwestern/Northern Appalachian mixture. But there are alot of northeastern characteristics: old, row houses, dense central city and neighborhoods.
Just to add some comments to the discussion--many people consider Pittsburgh a Midwestern city--the beginning of the Midwest. Not all of the East is expensive--as others pointed out, Pittsburgh is affordable, and there are many affordable small towns in the East. After living in both the East and West, I don't think that the East is more liberal than the West. And though people are probably more generally laid back in the West, I don't think--again talking generally--they are less rude than the East. Just my experience. And ghettos? You'll find those everywhere.
One more comment not exactly related to the discussion: as a former resident of the D.C. area, Atlanta was the one city that reminded me most of D.C. in terms of population makeup, style of housing, vegetation and traffic. I have visited Atlanta many times, and it never struck me as "Western."
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