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OMG. 675K is .002 percent of the population of the US!
Not 2 percent. Not .02 percent. .002 percent.
You and your asinine White House petitions. This is getting sad. For the 500th time, is it not the most signed for issue in the history of the White House's online petitions?
Your short and empty responses aren't what I would consider a debate. I am not wrong in relaying the facts that at the very least 25% of Southerners surveyed support their state's immediate secession, 38% of people in the South sympathize with the Confederacy, and 40% of young Mississippians identify as Southerners first. If you don't like the results, take it up with the companies who administered the surveys. No matter how you cut it, there are millions upon millions of Southerners with pro-Southern viewpoints.
All you have is baseless extrapolations and tenuous connections--hardly a substantive argument. You'd get laughed out of the room if you were to suggest in academic setting, based on a very small amount of polls and surveys, that the majority of Southerners actually favor secession. I've already exposed your fallacies for what they are. You don't have a leg to stand on and your arguments lack merit.
You and your asinine White House petitions. This is getting sad. For the 500th time, is it not the most signed for issue in the history of the White House's online petitions?
That means nothing in and of itself; the actual number is miniscule in relation to the overall Southern population and there's no way to even know how many Southerners signed it. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?
All you have is baseless extrapolations and tenuous connections--hardly a substantive argument. You'd get laughed out of the room if you were to suggest in academic setting, based on a very small amount of polls and surveys, that the majority of Southerners actually favor secession. I've already exposed your fallacies for what they are. You don't have a leg to stand on and your arguments lack merit.
First thing you should do is go back to grade school and learn how to read. Point me to where I said the "majority" of Southerners favor secession. I don't recall this being the case even once.
First thing you should do is go back to grade school and learn how to read. Point me to where I said the "majority" of Southerners favor secession. I don't recall this being the case even once.
Then you simply don't have a point and have proven to much.
You've expended entirely too much energy towards this subject and you concede that secession isn't the wish of the majority of Southerners.
It would be wise to cease and desist now as you never really had a point to begin with.
That means nothing in and of itself; the actual number is miniscule in relation to the overall Southern population and there's no way to even know how many Southerners signed it. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?
Thank you. Apparently he's living in some alternative universe that is hidden from most Southerners, even those of us who are Southern to the very bone.
I have every Southern "calling card" anyone could have - my southern roots in the US go back to the mid 1600s. My ancestors fought in many different divisions in the Civil War, from Texas to Virginia. I was born in New Orleans and raised in the South, including spending my high school and college days within shouting distance of what was surely Tara at one point (an hour or so from Hotlanta). Heck, my father is even a Civil War reenactor who traveled to LATVIA for pete's sake looking for authentic wagon wheels for his Civil War cannon. I could easily join the Daughter of the American Revolution as well as the Daughters of the Confederacy if I had the time or inclination to do so. I have in my possession copies of original slave records from the branch of my family which owned slaves (not that I'm proud of it but it makes for interesting reading). My gosh, my real name is actually a name from Gone With the Wind - my parents named me after one of the characters in that movie!
You'd think, with all that illustrious pedigree (and baggage) that I would have some inkling of rustling in the bushes regarding secession if it was anything close to reality. And yet...all I hear is crickets.
Don't get me wrong - I am very proud of my Southern heritage. I love the South. I love the culture, the weather, the history (except for that unfortunate slavery business - bad form there, folks), the food, the architecture, the music - I love it love it love it. But I'm an American. I'm not simply a Southerner. I'm so much more than that, and the people I associate with are as well.
I am proud to say that our local high school traded in the "Rebel flag" for an American flag many decades ago, and changed their name from the Robert E Lee Rebels to the Robert E Lee Raiders. I think it is an absolute sacrilege and absolutely ridiculous to expect African American athletes and students to perform under that former flag and name. It doesn't mean the same thing to them that it does to some people, and that's FINE and a legitimate argument.
I love the diversity and the mix of cultures in my American South. And apparently it's successful, since the South is booming with economic strength and growth.
We're rising again, but as part of the United States of America - not some independent nation.
Last edited by KathrynAragon; 10-20-2015 at 06:30 PM..
That means nothing in and of itself; the actual number is miniscule in relation to the Southern population. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?
You missed my point completely. She made it clear that she considers White House petitions a fantastic measure of true support. She went on about how only 675k people signed it and that it's .002% of the population. Seemingly forgetting that it's the most popular issue in the history of these petitions.
You missed my point completely. She made it clear that she considers White House petitions a fantastic measure of true support. She went on about how only 675k people signed it and that it's .002% of the population. Seemingly forgetting that it's the most popular issue in the history of these petitions.
Whether it's a "fantastic measure of true support" or not, 675K out of the tens of millions of people who live in the South is hardly a mandate. So however popular it might be for the WH's website, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Thank you. Apparently he's living in some alternative universe that is hidden from most Southerners, even those of us who are Southern to the very bone.
Then you simply don't have a point and have proven to much.
You've expended entirely too much energy towards this subject and you concede that secession isn't the wish of the majority of Southerners.
It would be wise to cease and desist now as you never really had a point to begin with.
Mrs. Aragon claimed, and she was perfectly serious, that we are a tiny minority. I would not consider 40% of young Mississippians identifying as Southrons first and Americans second a tiny minority. Mrs. Aragon claims to be American first and Southern second, and keeps going on about her personal life, apparently waiting for me to throw her a cookie.
I would also not consider 38% Confederate support a tiny minority, nor 25% support for secession a tiny minority. A minority I have not argued with. But a tiny minority we are definitely not.
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