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Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/Michigan/Wisconsin/Iowa/Minnesota are the "Upper Midwest" versus the western plains and Missouri/southern edge.
Indianapolis and south IS more southern and more conservative than the other northern type cities. Cincy is included with that. I don't think of St Louis as being so red like Indy. Columbus is actually known as a liberal blue center in what is a very red region. (However, central Ohio also has various [worthless] small little liberal arts college towns.)
.... I'm a 'big' fan of small little liberal arts colleges.
I think the Democrats have a huge chance of capturing Ohio votes this election cycle. The Republicans could get the presidential votes they want in Michigan, depending who the nominee is.
A couple of other notes. Toledo is very Michigan for an Ohio city, and Fort Wayne feels like an Ohio city. Then again, Indiana is really just West Ohio.
I have seen Amish in Michigan and Illinois, although you will not find them in the numbers (I almost typed "quantities") that you would find in Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
I caught Larry Kudlow or someone else on TV pulling a Katie Couric, saying 'Iowa' when he meant 'Ohio.' tsk tsk
I'm being a jerk tonight in preparation for the big game tomorrow. Go Blue!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooo
When I roll through Ann Arbor on Monday, I expect all those dirty Buckeyes to be gone!!!!!
Saint Louis is politically liberal (at least in the City and County of Saint Louis), but has a distinct Southern conservative culture. Toledo should be part of Michigan, they had a war over it. Michigan got the Upper Peninsula in exchange for ceding Toledo. Fort Wayne is not substantially closer to Indianapolis than it is to Columbus, and Allen County abuts Ohio.
Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/Michigan/Wisconsin/Iowa/Minnesota are the "Upper Midwest" versus the western plains and Missouri/southern edge.
Indianapolis and south IS more southern and more conservative than the other northern type cities. Cincy is included with that. I don't think of St Louis as being so red like Indy. Columbus is actually known as a liberal blue center in what is a very red region. (However, central Ohio also has various [worthless] small little liberal arts college towns.)
.... I'm a 'big' fan of small little liberal arts colleges.
I think the Democrats have a huge chance of capturing Ohio votes this election cycle. The Republicans could get the presidential votes they want in Michigan, depending who the nominee is.
A couple of other notes. Toledo is very Michigan for an Ohio city, and Fort Wayne feels like an Ohio city. Then again, Indiana is really just West Ohio.
I have seen Amish in Michigan and Illinois, although you will not find them in the numbers (I almost typed "quantities") that you would find in Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
I caught Larry Kudlow or someone else on TV pulling a Katie Couric, saying 'Iowa' when he meant 'Ohio.' tsk tsk
I'm being a jerk tonight in preparation for the big game tomorrow. Go Blue!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooo
When I roll through Ann Arbor on Monday, I expect all those dirty Buckeyes to be gone!!!!!
How on earth can Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio be considered the Upper Midwest when KEntucky is at their Southern border and they along with Missouri are the southernmost Midwestern states? Missouri encompasses 70% roughly of Illinois' western border, and therefore its northernmost point is at a latitude a good distance above Central Indiana and Ohio. Geographically, calling these three states the Upper Midwest makes about as much sense as calling minnesota the lower midwest. Most of Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Missouri lie in the Lower Midwest. The Upper Midwest I take to mean the territory around the southermost latitudes of the Great Lakes on up. Colts' map is quite accurate. Especially since only the very tops of them touch the great lakes. The Upper Midwest IMO is Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan. I would only call Northern Illinois, Northern Indiana and Northern Ohio the Upper Midwest. And I'm not referring to the Northern halves either for Indiana and Ohio. Indiana from Fort Wayne on up I'd consider the Upper Midwest, Ohio from about the latitude of Akron on up.
Saint Louis is politically liberal (at least in the City and County of Saint Louis), but has a distinct Southern conservative culture. Toledo should be part of Michigan, they had a war over it. Michigan got the Upper Peninsula in exchange for ceding Toledo. Fort Wayne is not substantially closer to Indianapolis than it is to Columbus, and Allen County abuts Ohio.
As a native St. Louisan who has lived here 21 years, I'm not sure I agree with that at all. Explain how it has a "distinct Southern conservative culture." St. Louis is no more Southern than Cincinnati or KC, and in fact i'd say in many ways it behaves more Northern than these two cities. Any Southern culture St. Louis has now comes from mainly the Great Migration of African Americans from the South. Nothing about it today strikes me as being conservative or Southern to be honest...to tell you the truth nothing about its culture strikes me as Southern either. I virtually can find nothing Southern about modern-day St. Louis or its culture. Its climate is interchangable between humid continental and humid subtropical (much more often is humid continental)..that's about the only thing Southern I can think of about modern day St. Louis. The only Southern type culture that exists here would probably come from the African-American population, but Chicago and Detroit draw from that same culture. Plus, Detroit, like St. Louis, has riverboat casinos. It feels more Southern than the Upper Midwest, but no more Southern than Indy, Cincy, or KC. It is a Midwestern city without a doubt.
Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/Michigan/Wisconsin/Iowa/Minnesota are the "Upper Midwest" versus the western plains and Missouri/southern edge.
Indianapolis and south IS more southern and more conservative than the other northern type cities. Cincy is included with that. I don't think of St Louis as being so red like Indy. Columbus is actually known as a liberal blue center in what is a very red region. (However, central Ohio also has various [worthless] small little liberal arts college towns.)
.... I'm a 'big' fan of small little liberal arts colleges.
I think the Democrats have a huge chance of capturing Ohio votes this election cycle. The Republicans could get the presidential votes they want in Michigan, depending who the nominee is.
A couple of other notes. Toledo is very Michigan for an Ohio city, and Fort Wayne feels like an Ohio city. Then again, Indiana is really just West Ohio.
I have seen Amish in Michigan and Illinois, although you will not find them in the numbers (I almost typed "quantities") that you would find in Iowa, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
I caught Larry Kudlow or someone else on TV pulling a Katie Couric, saying 'Iowa' when he meant 'Ohio.' tsk tsk
I'm being a jerk tonight in preparation for the big game tomorrow. Go Blue!!!!!!!!!!!! woooooooooo
When I roll through Ann Arbor on Monday, I expect all those dirty Buckeyes to be gone!!!!!
I suspect the Democrats may have a chance with Missouri as well, especially since Missouri almost always supports the winning candidate...i just have a hunch that a democrat will win the next election. Missouri has supported the winning candidate for every election except I believe one of Eisenhower's elections. I think Missouri voting for a Democrat could be likely, especially since Missouri recently chose Claire McCaskill, a Democrat over Jim Talent.
Ok. You all don't have to explain it anymore. I don't think I'll ever "get it". People here read way too much into this whole red state/blue state bs. Because that's what it is--bs. A state can give 50.0000001 percent of the popular vote to a Republican and yet it gets lumped along with the red states, oblivious to the fact that there's a massive gray area in between. It's silly for me to play into it anymore.
It's ironic too, because the most closed-minded people I have ever met were liberals.
Illinois is about 400 miles from north to south. The northern portion, particularly north of Chicago, feels very upper midwest. As you go south, it feels more and more lower midwest.
Indiana, as I said, is simply an anomoly. And Colts is right. A tiny Republican majority for one office (usually president), casts a state as "red", when many Democrats are elected from that state as well. Such is the case with Colorado.
Illinois is about 400 miles from north to south. The northern portion, particularly north of Chicago, feels very upper midwest. As you go south, it feels more and more lower midwest.
Indiana, as I said, is simply an anomoly. And Colts is right. A tiny Republican majority for one office (usually president), casts a state as "red", when many Democrats are elected from that state as well. Such is the case with Colorado.
IL is a very interesting state. At its northern border, South Beloit is pure rustbelt, seeming more like WI. At the extreme south, Cairo seems like pure Mississippi: cotton fields, staggering rural black poverty, Southern accents, the whole deal.
Illinois is about 400 miles from north to south. The northern portion, particularly north of Chicago, feels very upper midwest. As you go south, it feels more and more lower midwest.
Indiana, as I said, is simply an anomoly. And Colts is right. A tiny Republican majority for one office (usually president), casts a state as "red", when many Democrats are elected from that state as well. Such is the case with Colorado.
Right...if you can call a lop-sided victory for Bush being elected by Indiana "a tiny majority," I guess that means Indiana must be divided...well Missouri is the same way nevertheless...it voted for Bush lop-sidedly but outputs both Democrats and Republicans, most recently voting Democrat Claire McCaskill over Republican Jim Talent. Plus, both of its governors prior to Blunt were democrats , those two being Mel Carnahan and Bob Holden. Three of the lower-Midwestern states (except for Illinois, which is liberal mainly due to Chicago), are bellwether states. Both choose a lot of both. So I guess we can say that the Lower Midwest with the exception of Illinois is a divided region while the Upper Midwest leans overall liberal.
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