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Since some insist there's this "Mid-Atlantic" region that stretches from New York to DC, I'm curious if people think New York has more in common with New England or Maryland/DC?
I'd go with New England. For the following reasons:
- Slow growth in the postwar years, older housing stock, few boomburbs, edge cities, post-1980 suburbs. No unincorporated areas and dominant county governments which are more of a South/West thing.
- Large and quite visible Italian and Irish Catholic populations, which aren't found in Maryland/DC in any significant numbers or concentrations
- Colonial stock population in Upstate New York comes mostly from New England Yankees. In fact, Yankees quickly outnumbered "Yorkers" in NYS.
- No majority Black suburban counties or major cities, as found in Maryland/DC. No metro areas that are more than 25% Black.
Since some insist there's this "Mid-Atlantic" region that stretches from New York to DC, I'm curious if people think New York has more in common with New England or Maryland/DC?
I'd go with New England. For the following reasons:
- Slow growth in the postwar years, older housing stock, few boomburbs, edge cities, post-1980 suburbs. No unincorporated areas and dominant county governments which are more of a South/West thing.
- Large and quite visible Italian and Irish Catholic populations, which aren't found in Maryland/DC in any significant numbers or concentrations
- Colonial stock population in Upstate New York comes mostly from New England Yankees. In fact, Yankees quickly outnumbered "Yorkers" in NYS.
- No majority Black suburban counties or major cities, as found in Maryland/DC. No metro areas that are more than 25% Black.
I would use caution here. Maryland as a colony was established as a sanctuary for Catholics being persecuted in England. The Baltimore Archdiocese is the oldest diocese in the United States and is held in very high regard by the Vatican. The Baltimore Basilica was the first Catholic Cathedral built in the United States. I think a Catholic population in Maryland of 1 million would be on the conservative side.
Since some insist there's this "Mid-Atlantic" region that stretches from New York to DC, I'm curious if people think New York has more in common with New England or Maryland/DC?
I'd go with New England. For the following reasons:
- Slow growth in the postwar years, older housing stock, few boomburbs, edge cities, post-1980 suburbs. No unincorporated areas and dominant county governments which are more of a South/West thing.
- Large and quite visible Italian and Irish Catholic populations, which aren't found in Maryland/DC in any significant numbers or concentrations
- Colonial stock population in Upstate New York comes mostly from New England Yankees. In fact, Yankees quickly outnumbered "Yorkers" in NYS.
- No majority Black suburban counties or major cities, as found in Maryland/DC. No metro areas that are more than 25% Black.
I think your Catholic facts are way off for DC/Baltimore. DC is home to Trinity University, The Dominican House of Studies, Catholic University of America as well as Georgetown University - the oldest Catholic university in the country. Not to mention the National Cathedral and the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.
Since some insist there's this "Mid-Atlantic" region that stretches from New York to DC, I'm curious if people think New York has more in common with New England or Maryland/DC?
I'd go with New England. For the following reasons:
- Slow growth in the postwar years, older housing stock, few boomburbs, edge cities, post-1980 suburbs. No unincorporated areas and dominant county governments which are more of a South/West thing.
- Large and quite visible Italian and Irish Catholic populations, which aren't found in Maryland/DC in any significant numbers or concentrations
- Colonial stock population in Upstate New York comes mostly from New England Yankees. In fact, Yankees quickly outnumbered "Yorkers" in NYS.
- No majority Black suburban counties or major cities, as found in Maryland/DC. No metro areas that are more than 25% Black.
You set the question up to get the answer you want. You can stand in New York and look at New England. A more appropriate question would be "New York, more like Maryland or New Hampshire?".
Since some insist there's this "Mid-Atlantic" region that stretches from New York to DC, I'm curious if people think New York has more in common with New England or Maryland/DC?
I'd go with New England. For the following reasons:
- Slow growth in the postwar years, older housing stock, few boomburbs, edge cities, post-1980 suburbs. No unincorporated areas and dominant county governments which are more of a South/West thing.
- Large and quite visible Italian and Irish Catholic populations, which aren't found in Maryland/DC in any significant numbers or concentrations
- Colonial stock population in Upstate New York comes mostly from New England Yankees. In fact, Yankees quickly outnumbered "Yorkers" in NYS.
- No majority Black suburban counties or major cities, as found in Maryland/DC. No metro areas that are more than 25% Black.
While there are no majority Black suburban counties or major cities, there are majority Black suburbs in NYS and there are highly Black concentrations in urban and suburban areas. I believe that the only metro in New England with anything close is Hartford, with maybe New Haven and Boston having this as well.
I'd say upstate is more similar to New England, however downstate is more similar to the Maryland/DC mid Atlantic.
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Originally Posted by King of Kensington
- Slow growth in the postwar years, older housing stock, few boomburbs, edge cities, post-1980 suburbs.
Umm some facts here:
- NYC is the only major city in Bos-Wash that is at historical population high. Even DC hasn't reached its previous peak yet.
- As far as boomburbs/ edge cities post 1980... have you seen Jersey City or Hoboken? Jersey City only built its skyline from nothing within the last 10 years. The waterfront as late as 1990s used to be nothing but industrial area, warehouses, docks, swamps, and brownfields. Now it probably has one of the best skylines in the country for the city its size, and everything there is new construction.
I'd say upstate is more similar to New England, however downstate is more similar to the Maryland/DC mid Atlantic.
Umm some facts here:
- NYC is the only major city in Bos-Wash that is at historical population high. Even DC hasn't reached its previous peak yet.
- As far as boomburbs/ edge cities post 1980... have you seen Jersey City or Hoboken? Jersey City only built its skyline from nothing within the last 10 years.
This and some may say that Upstate NY is a New England/Midwestern hybrid or a combination of the areas it touches.
- As far as boomburbs/ edge cities post 1980... have you seen Jersey City or Hoboken? Jersey City only built its skyline from nothing within the last 10 years. The waterfront used to be nothing but industrial area, docks, and warehouses, now its probably one of the best skylines for the city its size.
Those are older satellite cities, not edge cities. Jersey City and Hoboken are urban, not suburban. Edge cities are modern suburbs that barely existed 40 years. JC/Hoboken are nothing like Gaithersburg, MD.
What is the percentage of the housing stock built before 1940 and after 1980 in NYC's suburban counties, compared to those of DC?
DC's metro is about 5 times the population it was in 1940.
Those are older satellite cities, not edge cities. Jersey City and Hoboken are urban, not suburban. Edge cities are modern suburbs that barely existed 40 years. JC/Hoboken are nothing like Gaithersburg, MD.
If you are talking about small suburban communities like Gaithersburg MD, NYC has those too. Look up Kiryas Joel, NY, much newer than Gaithersburg too and founded much much later (founded in 1977 in an open field).
If you want something that pretty much mirrors Gaithersburg, look up New City, NY.
I think your Catholic facts are way off for DC/Baltimore. DC is home to Trinity University, The Dominican House of Studies, Catholic University of America as well as Georgetown University - the oldest Catholic university in the country. Not to mention the National Cathedral and the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.
Italian/Irish/Polish/Jewish composition by metro.
Boston - 36.45% of MSA (49.38% of non-Hispanic Whites)
New York - 32.26% of MSA (66.94% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Philadelphia - 33.03% of MSA (51.26% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Baltimore - 19.98% of MSA (33.78% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Washington - 14.25% of MSA (30.42% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Hampton Roads - 13.25% of MSA (23.16% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Richmond - 12.07% of MSA (20.07% of non-Hispanic Whites)
Oldest suburbs in the U.S. by metro (% of pre-1940 housing stock)
Boston - 32.4%
Providence - 30.2%
Pittsburgh - 23.5%
Rochester - 21.1%
Buffalo - 21.1% New York - 18.9%
Hartford - 16.7%
Cleveland - 15.4%
Philadelphia - 14.9%
Milwaukee - 14.0%
Cincinnati - 12.6%
Columbus - 12.4%
Chicago - 11.6%
St. Louis - 10.3%
San Francisco - 9.2%
Indianapolis - 8.8%
Kansas City - 8.8%
Los Angeles - 8.3%
Detroit - 8.2%
Norfolk - 7.0% Baltimore - 6.8%
Seattle - 6.1%
San Jose - 5.1%
Oklahoma City - 4.9%
Charlotte - 4.6% Washington, DC - 4.6%
Birmingham - 4.5%
Richmond - 4.1%
San Antonio - 4.1%
Salt Lake - 3.1%
Sacramento - 2.7%
Raleigh - 2.6%
Dallas - 2.5%
Jacksonville - 2.3%
Atlanta - 2.0%
Austin - 2.0%
Miami - 1.5%
Orlando - 1.3%
Phoenix - 0.6%
Las Vegas - 0.3%
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