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Old 02-23-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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I would do a little reading up on current day Detroit versus the somewhat outdated vision of smoldering ruin as there is a lot of revitalization happening, and it's not the grim future you're alluding to.
Detroit is really "a tale of two cities".

One is the decline of manufacturing.

The other is the rebuilding of the city core.

The problem is that the jobs that were supposed to replace the blue-collar jobs are either not there (and are never coming back) or new service jobs, paying a lot less than traditional blue-collar jobs.

(i.e. you could raise a family and own a home/a cottage up north on the income earned in the plant, not so much working as a waitress or service clerk.)

Yes, Detroit is rebuilding, but we are right to skeptical about what is being built up to replace old industry.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm thrilled that Detroit is getting cleaned up and the atmosphere is full of hope - which has been lacking for years. I can't wait to see how much better the city gets in the next decade or two. I'm so impressed with how much Detroit has changed in only a few years.

However, it's very reflective of where this country is going. Less Manufacturing, More service, low wage and/or knowledge based jobs.

Knowledge based jobs are great for some people, but we still need jobs for people who aren't going to be scholars and 4 year college graduates. (And Michigan has a lot of those people)

I'm not thrilled that our area focuses so much on the "creative, hipster" class when that isn't going to practically help the population that is struggling to make ends meet in the "new economy".

It's cool that we have a growing food scene now, but I'd be happier if more people were making livable wages (i.e. able to buy a nice house/car, have money to go out and eat at the trendy restaurants, etc.).

People keep wondering why Donald Trump is popular and has gotten so far. It's really a no-brainer when you look at what's happening in Michigan - which is the future of America. We don't build things anymore and if we do, then we pay low wages (w/few exceptions) It's really that simple.
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Old 02-24-2016, 06:08 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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Detroit is really "a tale of two cities".

One is the decline of manufacturing.

The other is the rebuilding of the city core.

The problem is that the jobs that were supposed to replace the blue-collar jobs are either not there (and are never coming back) or new service jobs, paying a lot less than traditional blue-collar jobs.

(i.e. you could raise a family and own a home/a cottage up north on the income earned in the plant, not so much working as a waitress or service clerk.)

Yes, Detroit is rebuilding, but we are right to skeptical about what is being built up to replace old industry.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm thrilled that Detroit is getting cleaned up and the atmosphere is full of hope - which has been lacking for years. I can't wait to see how much better the city gets in the next decade or two. I'm so impressed with how much Detroit has changed in only a few years.

However, it's very reflective of where this country is going. Less Manufacturing, More service, low wage and/or knowledge based jobs.

Knowledge based jobs are great for some people, but we still need jobs for people who aren't going to be scholars and 4 year college graduates. (And Michigan has a lot of those people)

I'm not thrilled that our area focuses so much on the "creative, hipster" class when that isn't going to practically help the population that is struggling to make ends meet in the "new economy".

It's cool that we have a growing food scene now, but I'd be happier if more people were making livable wages (i.e. able to buy a nice house/car, have money to go out and eat at the trendy restaurants, etc.).

People keep wondering why Donald Trump is popular and has gotten so far. It's really a no-brainer when you look at what's happening in Michigan - which is the future of America. We don't build things anymore and if we do, then we pay low wages (w/few exceptions) It's really that simple.
The service sector that is growing extensively is low wage you're absolutely right. However I don't think bringing manufacturing back will help us that much, mainly due to the fast innovation of technology. I don't think it would bring as many jobs as people say. It would help though, don't get me wrong.

I think it would be a combination of manufacturing and other industries like agriculture and any resource extraction industries would have to come back here and/or grow in order to get back to where we were. We would have to start exporting more in general. This would help the non-scholarly people in finding good job prospects. But politics prefers to keep them out of our country.
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Old 02-24-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Lil Rhodey
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I would say Portland, Seattle, Austin, Denver, and San Francisco. These are the top cities loved by Millennials and they are the future of this country.
I would add Boston to that list ..
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Old 02-24-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I would add Boston to that list ..
Maybe I misunderstand the definition of Millenials, but most if not all of these cities are unappealing to a majority of conservatives / Republicans of any age group, especially Seattle, Portland and San Fran.
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Old 02-24-2016, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Lil Rhodey
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Maybe I misunderstand the definition of Millenials, but most if not all of these cities are unappealing to a majority of conservatives / Republicans of any age group, especially Seattle, Portland and San Fran.
Millenials arent necessarily conservatives...its just that age group..liking urban techy areas
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Syracuse, New York
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Houston peaked a year ago. These days, Houston has a rising unemployment rate, stagnant wages, rising COL and a workforce whose raw numbers declined 40,000 year to year.
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:29 PM
 
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Houston peaked a year ago. These days, Houston has a rising unemployment rate, stagnant wages, rising COL and a workforce whose raw numbers declined 40,000 year to year.
What you describe is merely temporary, just the typical ebb and flow associated with the Energy Industry currently.
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Old 02-24-2016, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Syracuse, New York
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What you describe is merely temporary, just the typical ebb and flow associated with the Energy Industry currently.
We'll see. Only time will tell.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I would add Boston to that list ..
Boston does seem like a beautiful city (my time there was limited), but the metro is growing very slowly compared to Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth, Denver, Houston, Miami, Portland, San Antonio, San Francisco, San Francisco, and Seattle (ten large metros I can think of growing quickly). Although I am unsure why, exactly. Boston really does seem beautiful, and people say it has a lot of culture, so I would assume it would be expanding as well.
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Lil Rhodey
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Boston does seem like a beautiful city (my time there was limited), but the metro is growing very slowly compared to Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth, Denver, Houston, Miami, Portland, San Antonio, San Francisco, San Francisco, and Seattle (ten large metros I can think of growing quickly). Although I am unsure why, exactly. Boston really does seem beautiful, and people say it has a lot of culture, so I would assume it would be expanding as well.
Boston(and the metro area) is in the midst of it's biggest building boom in it's entire history.
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