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Columbus, Ohio had a huge influx of migrants from Appalachia, many of whom settled in the Hilltop neighborhood on the west side. Not such a nice area to live nowadays.
Bensonhurst is not really a white neighborhood anymore, and the whites in both Bay Ridge and Bensonhurst tend to be at least middle class I'm guessing (not counting the Eastern European immigrants).
The only part of NYC that I think might have a lot of working class whites is Staten Island, but even then I'm pretty sure most white people on Staten Island make a decent living. And the areas I'm thinking of aren't even urban, even though they're part of NYC.
I think nearly all of the working-class white population which remains in NYC is fairly comfortable (discounting some recent eastern European immigrants). Blue-collar jobs in NYC are pretty well paying service or city government positions. And while housing costs are completely ridiculous in NYC, a lot of the multi-generational families are either in rent control (which can be inherited), own property, or have unofficial agreements with family or acquaintances which let them rent for below-market rates.
What is poor/working class urban white culture like in the South , Plains States , and West by the way ? You don't really hear about urban poor/working class whites in those areas which is why I'm asking .
Minneapolis may have a reputation as a Yuppie boutique city, but most city neighborhoods are actually blue collar (and St Paul even more so). In Minneapolis and St Paul proper the working class areas are the most integrated parts of the city. White working class people tend to grow up around and immersed in black culture. Also, the cities' bohemian/countercultural thing is rooted in the working class, which is probably a relic of the region's socialist past. I work as a chef so most of my crew is local working class (or immigrant). Most of the white working class kids who work for me are big into underground music and have a pretty mixed group of friends.
In cities like NY, Seattle, Portland, the Bay Area, etc. it seems like the counterculture comes from the middle and upper middle class while working class whites tend to be more conservative. In the Twin Cities it is the opposite, in my experience.
Cincinnati has a large poor/working class Appalachian population within its city limits and inner-ring suburbs.
They can be found in neighborhoods like Price Hill, Camp Washington, Cheviot, Norwood, St. Bernard, Elmwood Place, Carthage, Northbrook, North College Hill, Mt. Healthy, Reading, and Lockland (as well as other neighborhoods in smaller numbers).
What is poor/working class urban white culture like in the South , Plains States , and West by the way ? You don't really hear about urban poor/working class whites in those areas which is why I'm asking .
Often it will be like rural white culture because they move or just commute to the city from their double-wide on small acreage for work. Think Foxworthy and Larry theCable Guy. Art imitates life.
Also there can be a strong influence from the African American culture. You even see this in pasty-white middle-of-nowhere smalll towns.
There are a few old union Catholic types out there but mostly they seem to have either moved up, out, or otherwise disappeared.
Doesn't Canaryville still have a sizeable working class Irish population?
I think Canaryville still does have a decent working class Irish population, although there is a sizable Mexican population in that area as well, so I don't think the Irish population is as big as it once was.
I think nearly all of the working-class white population which remains in NYC is fairly comfortable (discounting some recent eastern European immigrants). Blue-collar jobs in NYC are pretty well paying service or city government positions. And while housing costs are completely ridiculous in NYC, a lot of the multi-generational families are either in rent control (which can be inherited), own property, or have unofficial agreements with family or acquaintances which let them rent for below-market rates.
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Originally Posted by Drewcifer
Minneapolis may have a reputation as a Yuppie boutique city, but most city neighborhoods are actually blue collar (and St Paul even more so). In Minneapolis and St Paul proper the working class areas are the most integrated parts of the city. White working class people tend to grow up around and immersed in black culture. Also, the cities' bohemian/countercultural thing is rooted in the working class, which is probably a relic of the region's socialist past. I work as a chef so most of my crew is local working class (or immigrant). Most of the white working class kids who work for me are big into underground music and have a pretty mixed group of friends.
In cities like NY, Seattle, Portland, the Bay Area, etc. it seems like the counterculture comes from the middle and upper middle class while working class whites tend to be more conservative. In the Twin Cities it is the opposite, in my experience.
It's not about income so much, but what kind of neighborhood one grew up in. The whites from the "white flight enclaves" of NYC like Howard Beach and the South Shore of Staten Island and tend to be conservative and much different from the whites who grow up in most other parts of NYC.
Cincinnati has a large poor/working class Appalachian population within its city limits and inner-ring suburbs.
They can be found in neighborhoods like Price Hill, Camp Washington, Cheviot, Norwood, St. Bernard, Elmwood Place, Carthage, Northbrook, North College Hill, Mt. Healthy, Reading, and Lockland (as well as other neighborhoods in smaller numbers).
What's the culture of these urban Appalachians like these days ? Does it still have many distinctive Appalachian elements ? Or has it disappeared and/or become less distinctive ?
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