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I understand you prefer non smoky places, but like you said, it should be up to the business owner. Even in a smoking friendly city, there will be a lot of places that either don't allow smoking or have good ventilation systems. The libertarian system lets you decide, while the authoritarian system only lets you have their way.
I believe part of Memphis, TN allows open container, but there may be some caveats to that. I think that New Orleans and Vegas (possibly all of Nevada) are the only places where open containers are allowed with few caveats.
It shouldn't be it's a health hazard for the employees. It's like state laws regulation construction workers must wear hard hats or MSDS sheets are necessary at Chemical plants
It shouldn't be it's a health hazard for the employees. It's like state laws regulation construction workers must wear hard hats or MSDS sheets are necessary at Chemical plants
If you don't want to be around smoke, there are a million other places you can work.
Smoking is allowed in NV bars and such everywhere. No kids though if smoking is allowed. Open container are allowed only in select places like the Strip and Downtown.
Friend is a partner in a Video Poker pub group. He says it is actually a no brainer. The problem in NV was that there is a class of mini casinos which would have been allowed to maintain smoking while the VP places would have had to stop it. The hit to the profitability of the the VP pubs would be devastating. Their profit generator is the VP machines...they mostly break even on the rest of the operation. Turns out there is a regular class of smokers who play video poker at night. Not huge in number but very important in profits.
As a result virtually all of the VP joints banned kids and maintained smoking in the bar.
Smoking is allowed in NV bars and such everywhere. No kids though if smoking is allowed. Open container are allowed only in select places like the Strip and Downtown.
Friend is a partner in a Video Poker pub group. He says it is actually a no brainer. The problem in NV was that there is a class of mini casinos which would have been allowed to maintain smoking while the VP places would have had to stop it. The hit to the profitability of the the VP pubs would be devastating. Their profit generator is the VP machines...they mostly break even on the rest of the operation. Turns out there is a regular class of smokers who play video poker at night. Not huge in number but very important in profits.
As a result virtually all of the VP joints banned kids and maintained smoking in the bar.
Ah so open containers are not allowed statewide? Nevada is a little more restrictive than I thought
Ah so open containers are not allowed statewide? Nevada is a little more restrictive than I thought
Well, with respect to Nevada versus Las Vegas, prostitution is legal in Nevada, but not in Las Vegas. I guess you take the good with the bad
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Originally Posted by Lonestarqueen
NOT Austin. Bars close at 2 and usually last call is at 1:45, then they start picking up glasses at bottles at about 5 til 2. No open container in the streets either, door guys are strict about not letting anyone leave the bar with a drink in their hand, even of it is just water.
Plus there's no smoking in bars.
I didn't realize Texas had such restrictive laws about alcohol, but I guess being in the Bible Belt , it doesn't surprise me. I guess the New Orleans/Vegas like vibes of Memphis and Nashville have given Tennessee a bit of a unique atmosphere and some looser restrictions than other states in the Bible Belt. Tennessee, I know still has many dry counties, along with Kentucky, despite being the epicenter of American Whiskey manufacturing.
For the most part, Southern states are not very Libertarian friendly. Then again, not many states are Libertarian friendly, outside of Nevada. One exception, could be Maine, which just legalized recreational weed and has good (non-restrictive) gun laws. I'm not sure about the laws of smoking in bars and such, but legal weed is more important to me than smoking in a bar, unless it is legally smoking weed in a bar However, because Maine has like 10 months of winter and is probably one of the coldest and snowiest places on Earth, I don't think I will ever be moving there. As well, it is fairly isolated and has no real urban centers, except for Portland (Portland, ME that is), which is still pretty much a large town, rather than a city.
From what many tell me, Colorado is a pretty Libertarian state, but many long-term CO residents are very disgruntled and it seems like the state is going to the extreme direction of Radical Liberalism. However, many of the conservatives in Colorado are also of the evangelical, Ronald Regan type of politics and think anything to do with booze, drugs, vices should be outlawed and heavily restricted, as well combining church with state; a big push for many types of Republicans. For example, Colorado Springs banned the sale of recreational weed in the city. I guess Colorado is slowly becoming a land of both crappy extremes that we Libertarians don't like. Yet, many Libertarians flock there because the state for a long time had non-restrictive gun laws, legal weed, lots of beer and of course all the freedom of the mountains and a good a decent place for the survivalist-minded. Sadly, that is dissolving. Of course, the Pacific Northwest was like this too, but the Libertarians here are being kicked away as the radical liberals and religious Republican conservative types push their own extreme unconstitutional agendas.
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Well, with respect to Nevada versus Las Vegas, prostitution is legal in Nevada, but not in Las Vegas. I guess you take the good with the bad
Actually in the NV way prostitution is allowed only in counties with a population less than a number that allows it everywhere but Clark and Washoe.
In general the Las Vegas strip is fond of prostitution as long as it is illegal. It would be rather simple to get legal prostitution passed in Clark County...but no one wants to do it. Allows everyone to claim prostitution is not a Las Vegas thing while it is actually a Las Vegas thing. Goes with the convention business. If a couple of the big convention cities allowed it LV would instantly cover. But it will not do so as long as it can keep it working well but not legal. Check the LV phone book sometime and try to figure why Metro cannot find any prostitution rings.
Actually in the NV way prostitution is allowed only in counties with a population less than a number that allows it everywhere but Clark and Washoe.
In general the Las Vegas strip is fond of prostitution as long as it is illegal. It would be rather simple to get legal prostitution passed in Clark County...but no one wants to do it. Allows everyone to claim prostitution is not a Las Vegas thing while it is actually a Las Vegas thing. Goes with the convention business. If a couple of the big convention cities allowed it LV would instantly cover. But it will not do so as long as it can keep it working well but not legal. Check the LV phone book sometime and try to figure why Metro cannot find any prostitution rings.
Ahhh.. I didn't know that about Nevada's state prostitution law.. However, I pretty much figured prostitution was de facto legal in Las Vegas, even though it is not officially. Somewhat, like how weed is tolerated in Holland, but not actually "legal".
Oh yeah, speaking of Holland, Amsterdam is not the worst place for a Libertarian.. Not only is open container allowed, but it is encouraged. I remember after I would go get lit up at a coffeeshop and walk around town, I was intrigued by all the drunk Dutch people singing and socializing in the town square chugging down open bottles of Heineken. Ahh, I was like look at all this freedom! Of course, we are talking Europe. Which means, only terrorists and thugs can possess weapons to defend themselves or kill you. Yeah, no such thing as a Second Amendment. As well, 60% of your hard earned money will be taken from you and redistributed to fund all the endless social government programs, help house and feed refugees/immigrants and many other important projects and programs that they require of your hard earned cash. So, I will say Amsterdam is more Libertarian friendly than almost any American city from the social vices perspective, legal (tolerated) weed, smoking of anything in bars and coffeeshops, legal psychedelics, legal prostitution (Red Light District), open containers wherever you want and even public drunkenness is not shunned. However, from a fiscal and self-defense perspective, Amsterdam would be very radically socialist/liberal, even compared to some of the most liberal parts of the USA.
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Regarding open container laws specifically, I can give you a list of the notable ones that allow some form of drinking in public on a daily basis. I actually started a thread on this awhile back. First, from Wikipedia:
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There are public places in the United States where open containers are explicitly permitted:
Hood River, Oregon. This port city that rests along the Columbia River has no open container laws, and allows drinking in public.[3] The city of Butte, Montana, prohibits open containers only between 2am and 8am. Drinking openly in the street is allowed throughout the city (and elsewhere in Montana where no local laws exist) during the other 18 hours of the day.[4] A recent attempt to pass a comprehensive open container prohibition in Butte met with widespread opposition and was dropped.[5] However, Montana state law does prohibit open containers in vehicles on a highway.[6] In the Power & Light District of Kansas City, Missouri, a special Missouri state law[7] preempts Kansas City's ordinary local law against open containers[8] and allows the possession and consumption of alcoholic beverages on the street in open plastic containers.[9] Although Missouri has no statewide open container law, the Power & Light District remains the only part of Kansas City where open containers are allowed actually on the street, and throughout the rest of Kansas City, open containers remain expressly prohibited. In unincorporated Clark County, Nevada (including the Las Vegas Strip) the laws allow the possession and consumption on the street of alcoholic beverages except within parking lots or, if the alcohol was purchased in a closed container, on the premises of or within 1000 feet of the store from which it was purchased.[10] It is also illegal to possess a glass or aluminum beverage container on specially designated streets during special events, such as the Strip on New Year's Eve.[11] The entertainment district along Beale Street in Downtown Memphis, Tennessee, is specially exempt from both Tennessee's statewide open container ban and Memphis's local open container ban, thereby permitting the open consumption of alcoholic beverages on the street. The city of New Orleans, Louisiana allows the possession and consumption on the street of any alcoholic beverage in an open plastic container (not in glass bottles or containers). Throughout the rest of Louisiana, however, open containers are still prohibited, despite the fact that drive-thru frozen daiquiri stands are legal.[12] In the Savannah Historic District of Downtown Savannah, Georgia, city law allows possession and consumption on the street of one alcoholic beverage in an open plastic container of not more than 16 ounces.[13] Because Georgia has no state public open container law, the city law governs. Throughout the rest of Savannah, however, open containers remain prohibited. Within an approximately 80-acre area of Downtown Dalton, Georgia, city law allows possession and consumption on the street of one alcoholic beverage in an open paper or plastic cup of no more than 16 ounces between 12:30 p.m. and midnight.[14] The boundaries of the permitted area are Hawthorne Street, the western right-of-way of the L&N Railway, Morris Street, and Thornton Avenue.[14] The beverage must be dispensed by a licensed establishment in the designated area in a cup that meets specifications issued by the Downtown Dalton Development Authority.[14] Throughout the rest of Dalton, however, open containers remain prohibited.[15] The town of Fredericksburg, Texas allows open containers of beer or wine (no liquor) in its Main street shopping district. The city of Canton, Ohio was one of the first cities in Ohio to allow the open consumption of alcoholic beverages in a "designated outdoor refreshment area" pursuant to a state law enacted in 2015 (Sub. H.B. No. 47).[16][17] The city of Mobile, Alabama allows open plastic containers with a commercially printed name and/or logo of a designated licensee.[18] The city of Tampa, Florida allows up to two drinks in plastic containers per person on the Tampa Riverwalk, purchased from one of the licensed facilities along it, between 11am and 1am.[19]
Then according to posters in my thread:
Baton Rouge, Louisiana passed a law recently that allows people to drink downtown legally. It has really help to boost the crowds.
The San Antonio River Walk allows this.
Treasure island Fl. It's a small beach town, just west of Saint Petersburg Fl.
It's acceptable in Key West
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However, because Maine has like 10 months of winter and is probably one of the coldest and snowiest places on Earth, I don't think I will ever be moving there. As well, it is fairly isolated and has no real urban centers, except for Portland (Portland, ME that is), which is still pretty much a large town, rather than a city.
