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Old 09-01-2019, 09:34 PM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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Technically, with NY, NYC has about 50-60% of the state's black population. I think the difference is that if you took NYC out of the state, the state would still have a black percentage that is around the national percentage, give or take. For instance, Buffalo has about 100k black residents, Rochester has about 85k black residents, Mount Vernon just outside of NYC has about 44k black residents, Syracuse has around 45k black residents and Albany has about 32k black residents. You have also have a bunch of smaller cities with at least 10k black residents and some suburbs with around national average to high black percentages as well. This doesn't even get into the places with a below average, but visible percentage/population or are smaller, but with a decent percentage. This includes some small town/rural areas. So, even in that case, it isn't like it is NYC or nothing at all, as it is actually behind the bigger Upstate cities in percentage.

Illinois may be similar as well, as Chicago carries a lot of the state's black population, but you also have cities within the metro area in the state with either high percentages or good sized populations. Then, you have places like Peoria, Springfield, Rockford, the Metro East portion of the St. Louis metro within the state and some others(Champaign, Urbana, Kankakee, Carbondale, Bloomington, etc.).
New York City has 65% of the black population in New York. If you took NYC away from NY, NYS drops to 8.6% black (down from 14.3% with NYC), which is well below national average...

NYS would still have the 19th-highest black population (966,605), and 24th-highest black percentage, down from 13th-highest percentage today...

But let's be real, if NYC weren't in NY, Westchester also wouldn't be as black as it is. The black population in NY would decline significantly in Westchester and the Hudson Valley, but even as is, remove NYC and NY is substantially less black...
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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NY without NYC just becomes another New England because downstate loses most of its black population. That 8.6% probably drops down to 7-7.5%.
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:18 AM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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NY without NYC just becomes another New England because downstate loses most of its black population. That 8.6% probably drops down to 7-7.5%.
Yep, that's what I was getting at, too...

You can tell when in New York State, it doesn't feel anywhere near national average blackness...
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Yep, that's what I was getting at, too...

You can tell when in New York State, it doesn't feel anywhere near national average blackness...
wait hold up you put NYS at 14..3% Black isnt that a little low?? ive never seen NYS given a figure that low..
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Old 09-02-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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New York City has 65% of the black population in New York. If you took NYC away from NY, NYS drops to 8.6% black (down from 14.3% with NYC), which is well below national average...

NYS would still have the 19th-highest black population (966,605), and 24th-highest black percentage, down from 13th-highest percentage today...

But let's be real, if NYC weren't in NY, Westchester also wouldn't be as black as it is. The black population in NY would decline significantly in Westchester and the Hudson Valley, but even as is, remove NYC and NY is substantially less black...
Yes, but the same can be said for many, if not most states, including those in the South. Even then, that figure would put it above most states in percentage and population. So, that still speaks to how it isn’t just about NYC.

Also, while NYC may play a part in Westchester in this regard, what is being forgotten about is that there have been black people in Westchester County and the Hudson Valley for centuries. So, black people were in these areas before the more recently known migration from NYC. For an example, this woman was born in Ulster County near Kingston in 1797: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojourner_Truth

An article that gets into that history: African American History: A Past Rooted in the Hudson Valley - Hudson Valley Magazine - February 2017 - Poughkeepsie, NY
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Old 09-02-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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wait hold up you put NYS at 14..3% Black isnt that a little low?? ive never seen NYS given a figure that low..
That is the black alone, non Hispanic percentage. That is still above the national percentage and is still the highest for a state outside of the South.

To think, that would mean people like say David Ortiz or Yasiel Puig would NOT be included, yet if you saw them not knowing anything else, they definitely should be included. This is why the “Hispanic” designation/aspect has to be put into proper perspective.

This also doesn’t get into the aspect of certain states, places and groups get underestimated in terms of the count. So, when 2020 comes, it will be interesting to see what the percentage/count is.
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