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I totally missed the "hipster" part lolol. That's the real question.
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Originally Posted by aries4118
There are hipsters in Buckhead?
Yeah, aren't they at Little Five Points? Hack there are probably more hipsters in Decatur than Buckhead.
Agree with Forsyth - it's basically suburbia nowaday. Also just too many transplants.
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Originally Posted by eddie gein
Arkansas has a whole lot of deep south traits to be considered a border state. NW Arkansas is for sure "borderish" and the mountainous parts of it are more Appalachia than deep south. But the Arkansas Delta, NE Arkansas and Southern Arkansas fit in pretty nicely with the "deep south".
Ozarks area (including NW Arkansas) is just weird...it's its own little world due to relative geographic isolation.
Of course there's also Eureka Springs, which doesn't even feel like Arkansas.
Arkansas has a whole lot of deep south traits to be considered a border state. NW Arkansas is for sure "borderish" and the mountainous parts of it are more Appalachia than deep south. But the Arkansas Delta, NE Arkansas and Southern Arkansas fit in pretty nicely with the "deep south".
Um, no one said that a "border state" cannot have some Deep South traits, areas, and elements.
The American South
Georgia
South Carolina
Alabama
Mississippi
Tennessee
North Carolina
Louisiana
Arkansas (including Missouri south of U.S. Route 60)
Kentucky (minus Cincinnati suburbs, but including Missouri Bootheel))
North Florida (north of Orlando)
South Virginia (from just north of Charlottesville on southward, including most of Shenandoah Valley and the part of West Virginia south of Charleston)
Um, no one said that a "border state" cannot have some Deep South traits, areas, and elements.
The American South
Georgia
South Carolina
Alabama
Mississippi
Tennessee
North Carolina
Louisiana
Arkansas (including Missouri south of U.S. Route 60)
Kentucky (minus Cincinnati suburbs, but including Missouri Bootheel))
North Florida (north of Orlando)
South Virginia (from just north of Charlottesville on southward, including most of Shenandoah Valley and the part of West Virginia south of Charleston)
My larger point is that at least from a geographical standpoint... Arkansas is more of a deep south state than it is a border state. Particularly when you consider that Arkansas is enclosed on it's western and northern sides by other states that are considered "border states". Culturally, there are so many people in NW Arkansas now that the border state thing does have some merit.
I think if you draw a line in Arkansas from Texarkana to the Missouri Bootheel, west of that line is a border state, while east of that line is Deep South. The area west of that line has a much larger percentage of the state's population. The eastern Deep South part of Arkansas has probably less than 20% of the state's population.
I live in NW Arkansas. It is definitely not the Deep South. Fort Smith, to our south, feels more Southwestern, and is tied entirely to cowboy and Old West culture historically speaking. See the movie True Grit, and the recent TV show Lawmen Bass Reeves for reference.
I travel to the Stuttgart area of the Delta to hunt ducks and geese a few times per year. It is without a doubt an entirely different culture than where we live now. The landscape, history, accents, activities are different. It feels like going to a different state.
Deep South
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
South Carolina
Northern Florida
Upper South
Arkansas
Kentucky (a good chunk of it)
North Carolina
Tennessee
Lower Virginia
Western South (perhaps needs own region, just not culturally purely Plainsy/Midwest like Ks, et. al)
Oklahoma
Texas
Border South
Missouri (especially southern and bootheal next to TN)
West Virginia
As far as VA goes, not sure where your cut-off is separating lower and upper/northern VA, but it would seem that DelMarVA and Western VA (SW VA + the Shenandoah Valley) should be included IMO.
I'd say the Border South is inclusive of the Western South and parts of the Upper South, particularly KY and AR.
If you're including MO and WV as the Border South, then why not MD/DC and DE?
Yeah I would also put Texas as border South just as much as it is Western. El Paso isn’t a Southern city.
El Paso has more in common with New Mexico than the rest of Texas. It's kind of like a bastard kid that went rogue. El Paso has nothing in common with the rest of the state, in fact it's got its own time zone aligned with New Mexico. Another fun fact that should be in the Oddities of Geography thread: El Paso is considerably further west than Denver (about 50 miles).
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