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San Antonio doesnt feel Southern to me. It and Fort Worth are distinctly Texan to the exclusion of everything else. The only major city in Texas that actually feels Southern to me is Houston. Dallas is a mix of South, West, and Great Plains.
The question wasn't about the Southeast...it was about the South.
When people talk about "the South" they are generally referring to the southeast.
No one refers to Arizona as "the South" even though it border Mexico. Just like "the North" usually means "Northeast" or "eastern Midwest". Montana borders Canada, but it's not what people usually mean with that comment.
If you ever lived in Texas, you'd have no doubt that the whole state is simmering in the South. But as for cities, Atlanta's not even "The South" any more.
Wherever Miz Betsy says "y'all", it's the South.
If "y'all" is your Southern litmus test, most of the country is the South anymore. I hear "y'all" daily and I live in a clearly not Southern state.
When people talk about "the South" they are generally referring to the southeast.
No one refers to Arizona as "the South" even though it border Mexico. Just like "the North" usually means "Northeast" or "eastern Midwest". Montana borders Canada, but it's not what people usually mean with that comment.
That’s like saying the midwest consists of only states that border the Great Lakes or the former Northwest Territories. Most people don’t know squat about geography, so this is a bad take. Texas spans multiple regions and just because it’s not the southeast doesn’t mean that it’s not southern. Much of the state is in the Western South. Things don’t automatically change immediately west of Louisiana.
That’s like saying the midwest consists of only states that border the Great Lakes or the former Northwest Territories. Most people don’t know squat about geography, so this is a bad take. Texas spans multiple regions and just because it’s not the southeast doesn’t mean that it’s not southern. Much of the state is in the Western South. Things don’t automatically change immediately west of Louisiana.
I mean, this is kind of exactly my point.
Of course things don't change immediately west of Louisiana. East Texas is very Southern in a traditional sense. Other parts of Texas aren't.
Regions don't just start and stop at state lines, and there's a lot of nuance in what people mean with certain terms. Is Arizona "Southern"? It's undoubtedly southern, but almost no one would call it the South, right? I've never heard seen it placed there.
Of course things don't change immediately west of Louisiana. East Texas is very Southern in a traditional sense. Other parts of Texas aren't.
Regions don't just start and stop at state lines, and there's a lot of nuance in what people mean with certain terms. Is Arizona "Southern"? It's undoubtedly southern, but almost no one would call it the South, right? I've never heard seen it placed there.
Arizona has nothing to do with this conversation since it’s universally considered to be the Southwest or the West. Texas straddles the Southwest and Southern US. You could’ve at least brought up your neighboring state of Missouri, another state that spans multiple regions including the Midwest and the Southern US
In American culture, "The South" is in no small part a cultural byproduct of a humid, very damp, subtropical climate. In Texas, that maps to the areas that not at all semiarid or arid or even merely moderate in precipitation:
Arizona has nothing to do with this conversation since it’s universally considered to be the Southwest or the West. Texas straddles the Southwest and Southern US. You could’ve at least brought up your neighboring state of Missouri, another state that spans multiple regions including the Midwest and the Southern US
When people talk about "the South" they are generally referring to the southeast.
And there's even some variation as to how define the Southeast. LA and AR are clearly Southern, but are they in the Southeast? I say no as I consider the Mississippi River to be the boundary but I recall a thread here years ago where someone restricted the Southeast to the Southern states on the East Coast (Virginia, the Carolinas, Georgia, and Florida). I disagreed but there was a certain logic to that take.
People are parsing too much. There is the South, Southeast, Southwest, Midwest, Great Lakes, Northeast, Northwest, etc. Texas, overall, is the only state I would just classify as South. As far as introducing Arizona, as someone did, it clearly is never considered South, it's a definite Southwest. Texas is in between SE and SW....hence, South. Or, as someone said, it's own region....South Central.
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