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Old 03-22-2021, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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People make it work in high cost and high growth areas. Families chip in and you hustle more. Somehow life goes on. There are perks too, such as the opportunity for more mobility from greater equity if you do decide to go to a lower cost area. That's freedom that you start to appreciate when you get older and have fewer working years left.
Nobody is arguing that there aren't advantages to living in HCOL areas. They are obviously "worth it" for millions and millions of people. The point is that it is ridiculous to assert that the concept of the disparity in COL is a "Myth"...when it is, without a doubt, fact.
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Old 03-22-2021, 05:58 PM
 
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I agree. For example, Seattle is expensive but the median household makes twice as much in Seattle as Dallas.

The fact that you need to make twice as much to maintain your standard of living would seem to be the ultimate proof that the Cost Of Living is much higher in Seattle as in Dallas.
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Old 03-22-2021, 05:59 PM
 
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People make it work in high cost and high growth areas. Families chip in and you hustle more. Somehow life goes on. There are perks too, such as the opportunity for more mobility from greater equity if you do decide to go to a lower cost area. That's freedom that you start to appreciate when you get older and have fewer working years left.
None of this should come as a slight to HCOL areas. We have to make sacrifices no matter where we are. In a HCOL place you sacrifice higher costs of housing and less room for much more amenities. More people want to be there and be a part of the action. In LCOL places you sacrifice some amenities for more house and your dollar going farther. All depends on what people value more.
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Apples-to-apples isn't easy. How do you value a personal dining room more than walkability to 100 restaurants?
Thats a human factor. Some people care about it and some people dont, but you cant measure it because it cant be quantified. Cost of rent, house payments, energy, taxes, food, education, healthcare, and transportation can. Thats why we base cost of living on those things.
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:03 PM
 
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Someone earlier on here tried to show expenses in NYC weren’t so bad because transportation savings offset to the point a NYC family was spending a similar ratio of salary on housing/transportation as a Charlotte family. Except home ownership is much higher in Charlotte. Housing costs can mean mortgage or it can mean rent, and those two are very different things.

Not to mention there are no transportation savings to offset if you are WFH.
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:08 PM
 
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Apples-to-apples isn't easy. How do you value a personal dining room more than walkability to 100 restaurants?

Walkability to 100 restaurants sounds like a good way to blow out the budget.
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle Area, NC
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Someone earlier on here tried to show expenses in NYC weren’t so bad because transportation savings offset to the point a NYC family was spending a similar ratio of salary on housing/transportation as a Charlotte family. Except home ownership is much higher in Charlotte. Housing costs can mean mortgage or it can mean rent, and those two are very different things.
That was here...

https://www.city-data.com/forum/city...-moving-4.html


So much silliness....
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:22 PM
 
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From a simpleton here..... no one is realizing that no matter where you live. Many choose to live OVER their means and maintain high debt whether mortgage and Car payment to Credit card high interest debt. That happens IN ALL INCOME LEVELS and our Materialistic society promotes it and bad choices we or even just one spouse get each other into.

It is merely easier for those who are able to sell high in high COL areas where say selling their home now mortgage free or just with plenty equity for a profit and take that to a similar or better/larger home in a cheaper area. That can keep one ahead, get out of more debt or all and sometimes of course why the migrations take place besides Corporate America forcing it by abandoning areas claimed higher cost to them and regulations they can get away with elsewhere with incentives to move. The AMERICAN WAY.

When Sunbelt fast rising cities boast cheaper.... a lot was they were less desired for much longer or forgotten when the North boomed. Now their new even too-fast growing metros mean cost are rising fast even some states as Texas have a huge debt being booming as it is.

I do not know also if all these RENT STATS or CONDOS factor in HOA fees that are HUGE TODAY vs previous decades and still less found in small town and cities in America. Metros they rule and Developers have a BONE-anza.

Interesting Link of Stats. PRE-COVID....
Title: How Have Rents Changed Since 1960?

https://www.apartmentlist.com/resear...wth-since-1960

From link.
Inflation-adjusted rents have increased by ~64% since 1960

- 24% of renters were cost-burdened in 1960, but that number jumped to more than 50% in 2010, before declining slightly in the years following. Mirroring the data on rents and income, the share of cost-burdened renters actually declined slightly in the 1990s, but spiked from 2001-2005, and again from 2007-2011.
- The US renter population is larger than it has ever been (43 million households, or 37% of the total population), and nearly half of them are struggling to pay rent.

Next, we looked at cost-burden rates by household income quintile.
- Renters with incomes in the lowest 20% have had cost-burden rates greater than 70% since the 1970s, and affordability has continued to decline in recent years. '
- Among renters in the lower middle bracket (making up to $41,186 a year), however, the increase in cost-burden rates has been significant, with an increase of 22% since the year 2000. Renters in other income brackets have fared better, but cost-burden rates have risen across the board.

Lot more stats just there and still Are they factoring HOA fees once NON-EXISTENT? I see no mention... but what do I know and we know that that is HUGE in Metros and moot still in many rural small-city America areas in both the North and Sunbelt and therefore cheaper.

ALSO some posters here RATE and JUDGE by Politics.... and their bias is such.

Most post deal with PROFESSIONALS WAGES also. There are LOTS who are not in those Desk Jobs of even family income of 6-digits. They still have Mortgages, Rents and HOA's that still are not getting better for the LOWER WAGE EARNERS where Companies JUST MOVE TO SAVE MONEY and Heck with the North they move from. Been doing it for decades now..... oops a little political there.

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Old 03-22-2021, 06:28 PM
 
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Thats a human factor. Some people care about it and some people dont, but you cant measure it because it cant be quantified. Cost of rent, house payments, energy, taxes, food, education, healthcare, and transportation can. Thats why we base cost of living on those things.
That's the academic and government method. In commercial real estate (my world) people win by going beyond that sort of approach.
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Old 03-22-2021, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Apples-to-apples isn't easy. How do you value a personal dining room more than walkability to 100 restaurants?
Exactly.

Plus large bodies of water in all four directions, skiing in under an hour and hundreds of miles of well maintained hiking in some of the most beautiful mountains on Earth, as well as cross country skiing, snowmobile trails within a day trip.

People are different. Cost of living is higher in some places because people value some things more or less. Or there’s more scarcity in one area vs another. People figure out ways to manage. We’re not all chumps for choosing to live in more expensive places. There are even monetary advantages to doing so. Sometimes when you clip too many coupons you start losing the bigger game.
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