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I think that an argument can be made for Chicago in tier 1, but yes, Philly is with Boston and SF etc.
Indeed. Chicago & Philly will seemingly always rank amongst the elite class of US cities. I could see it as:
New York - Tier 1A
LA, Chicago, San Francisco - Tier 1B
or
New York, LA - 1A
Chicago - 1B
San Fran, Washington, Philly, Boston, Miami - 2A
Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas Metroplex, Houston - 2B
Twin Cities, Denver, Charlotte, Tampa Bay, Detroit, San Diego, Saint Louis - 3
Orlando, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Nashville, Austin, Portland Or, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Phoenix - 4
Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Louisville, Sacramento, Kansas City, San Antonio - 5A
Salt Lake City, NC Research Triangle, Memphis, Jacksonville, Richmond, Hampton Roads, Providence, Birmingham - 5B
Tucson, Grand Rapids, Greenville, Fresno, El Paso, Knoxville, Charleston, Columbia, NC Triad, Des Moines, Omaha - Emerging
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Indeed. Chicago & Philly will seemingly always rank amongst the elite class of US cities. I could see it as:
New York - Tier 1A
LA, Chicago, San Francisco - Tier 1B
or
New York, LA - 1A
Chicago - 1B
San Fran, Washington, Philly, Boston, Miami - 2A
Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas Metroplex, Houston - 2B
Twin Cities, Denver, Charlotte, Tampa Bay, Detroit, San Diego, Saint Louis - 3
Orlando, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Nashville, Austin, Portland Or, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Phoenix - 4
Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Louisville, Sacramento, Kansas City, San Antonio - 5A
Salt Lake City, NC Research Triangle, Memphis, Jacksonville, Richmond, Hampton Roads, Providence, Birmingham - 5B
Tucson, Grand Rapids, Greenville, Fresno, El Paso, Knoxville, Charleston, Columbia, NC Triad, Des Moines, Omaha - Emerging
This is actually a very good tier ranking. Phoenix is a bit too low. But otherwise, very solid.
This is actually a very good tier ranking. Phoenix is a bit too low. But otherwise, very solid.
Of all the regions, I was torn on Phoenix the most. Based on population, it lines up more with some of the Tier 3 cities. Based on historic and current influence, economic diversity, higher institutions and entertainment; it could float between 3 and 4. I'm envious at how quickly they've been able to expand their light rail, and they're making significant strides in developing a cohesive, dynamic urban core.
For most of my life Phoenix has operated as a mega sprawl, master planned region for folks who want warm winters, and/or are ready to retire. For being such a huge region, it just seemed very lackluster in it's purpose. I get it, people want suburbs; but to not even have 10, 20, 30, even 40 sq miles of walkable urban nodes, in a metro of 3,000+ sq miles is the epitome of blah. As of now, they have Scottsdale (an entirely different city), downtown and midtown Phoenix.
Indeed. Chicago & Philly will seemingly always rank amongst the elite class of US cities. I could see it as:
New York - Tier 1A
LA, Chicago, San Francisco - Tier 1B
or
New York, LA - 1A
Chicago - 1B
San Fran, Washington, Philly, Boston, Miami - 2A
Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas Metroplex, Houston - 2B
Twin Cities, Denver, Charlotte, Tampa Bay, Detroit, San Diego, Saint Louis - 3
Orlando, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Nashville, Austin, Portland Or, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Phoenix - 4
Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Louisville, Sacramento, Kansas City, San Antonio - 5A
Salt Lake City, NC Research Triangle, Memphis, Jacksonville, Richmond, Hampton Roads, Providence, Birmingham - 5B
Tucson, Grand Rapids, Greenville, Fresno, El Paso, Knoxville, Charleston, Columbia, NC Triad, Des Moines, Omaha - Emerging
Orlando & Baltimore are both larger than Charlotte & St. Louis so they are deep in "3" category.
While Phoenix doesn't have niche, it's still a 5 million metro and off of size alone it's going to fall into the bottom 2B or very top of 3
Indeed. Chicago & Philly will seemingly always rank amongst the elite class of US cities. I could see it as:
New York - Tier 1A
LA, Chicago, San Francisco - Tier 1B
or
New York, LA - 1A
Chicago - 1B
San Fran, Washington, Philly, Boston, Miami - 2A
Seattle, Atlanta, Dallas Metroplex, Houston - 2B
Twin Cities, Denver, Charlotte, Tampa Bay, Detroit, San Diego, Saint Louis - 3
Orlando, New Orleans, Las Vegas, Nashville, Austin, Portland Or, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Phoenix - 4
Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Louisville, Sacramento, Kansas City, San Antonio - 5A
Salt Lake City, NC Research Triangle, Memphis, Jacksonville, Richmond, Hampton Roads, Providence, Birmingham - 5B
Tucson, Grand Rapids, Greenville, Fresno, El Paso, Knoxville, Charleston, Columbia, NC Triad, Des Moines, Omaha - Emerging
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NY and LA are on a different level in literally every category.
No "they" are not. Well NYC is, but LA lags behind it in a few categories. It's still tier 1 due to it's size, but there is a gap of NYC to Los Angeles. After them two it's another gap down, Chicago, SF, and DC are each duking it out on the next tier. Boston, Philly, Dallas, Atlanta, H-town make up the next group, but the gap from them isn't as wide, from the Chi-DC-SF group.
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