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Old 07-09-2022, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I was in Vegas in May, I have an old childhood friend there, working in home construction. I don't see it
As in you don’t see them middle class? Or at all? When I went out to North Las Vegas, I stayed in a house out there. I saw middle class black families with lemonade stands, playing ball in the culdesac, hanging out. Real wholesome. Not professionals but I saw a few living a traditionally middle class lifestyle. I’ve been out there 4 times in like 2 years, I’m a big advocate for Vegas.
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I don’t know if I quite follow this. There has been a ton of inflation in the past 20 years, are these numbers adjusted for that? Could it be that some if not most of this growth is due to wage growth and/or upward mobility from native NY residents? I highly doubt the vast majority of people making $35k in NYC in 2000 are still making anywhere near that amount. I’d imagine that 2000 $35k job is paying at least double that today. It’s a good thing but is it necessarily tied to migration?
That’s the thing inflation has been huge. None of these numbers reflect that. Inflation can’t be pegged at anyone on number like “20k” a whole bunch of other factors like COL, uneven wage growth amongst industries etc etc.

A person making $35,000 should be making $52,600 today. But with COL increases in NYC it’d be $60,000. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

Someone making 40k in 200 should be making 67900 in 2020 (what happened to 20k?) with COL increase that gonna be more like 75-80k in 2020. So double. This is truly a useless table.

It’s incredibly obvious every single city in the us will see the same pattern lol. Like do Hartford ct. we can be sure it’s the same lol…
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I don’t know if I quite follow this. There has been a ton of inflation in the past 20 years, are these numbers adjusted for that? Could it be that some if not most of this growth is due to wage growth and/or upward mobility from native NY residents? I highly doubt the vast majority of people making $35k in NYC in 2000 are still making anywhere near that amount. I’d imagine that 2000 $35k job is paying at least double that today. It’s a good thing but is it necessarily tied to migration?
There has been a lot of pushback with the census numbers so I'm going to show 2010-2020.

New York City Black Households Income Difference 2010-2020 (inflation included)

Total Black Households: +8665
Less than $10,000 = -21,105
$10,000 to $14,999 = -2,685
$15,000 to $19,999 = -6,416
$20,000 to $24,999 = -8,489
$25,000 to $29,999 = -7,079
$30,000 to $34,999 = -9,105
$35,000 to $39,999 = -9,825
$40,000 to $44,999 = -5,214
$45,000 to $49,999 = -4,343
$50,000 to $59,999 = -9,835

$60,000 to $74,999 = +797
$75,000 to $99,999 = +18,117
$100,000 to $124,999 = +15,792
$125,000 to $149,999 = +14,988
$150,000 to $199,999 = +19,910
$200,000 or more = +23,157
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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There has been a lot of pushback with the census numbers so I'm going to show 2010-2020.

New York City Black Households Income Difference 2010-2020 (inflation included)

Total Black Households: +8665
Less than $10,000 = -21,105
$10,000 to $14,999 = -2,685
$15,000 to $19,999 = -6,416
$20,000 to $24,999 = -8,489
$25,000 to $29,999 = -7,079
$30,000 to $34,999 = -9,105
$35,000 to $39,999 = -9,825
$40,000 to $44,999 = -5,214
$45,000 to $49,999 = -4,343
$50,000 to $59,999 = -9,835

$60,000 to $74,999 = +797
$75,000 to $99,999 = +18,117
$100,000 to $124,999 = +15,792
$125,000 to $149,999 = +14,988
$150,000 to $199,999 = +19,910
$200,000 or more = +23,157
Thank you, one thing with any city we have to keep in mind. Is that was the height of the Great Recession, elevated poverty and lower incomes. But this is way more useful, I appreciate the work.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:26 AM
 
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Do you know if the local electorate is being impacted in the City of Houston or City of Charlotte by the growing Black middle-class? How has their growth and strength in numbers changed local politics in those cities?
Houston has been a fairly liberal city for decades, having had women mayors, a lesbian mayor and two black mayors in the last 35 years. Houston AA community has been impactful for some time with Barbara Jordan, Mickey Leland, Sheila Jackson Lee and Al Green being Houston natives elected to congrgess.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Houston has been a fairly liberal city for decades, having had women mayors, a lesbian mayor and two black mayors in the last 35 years. Houston AA community has been impactful for some time with Barbara Jordan, Mickey Leland, Sheila Jackson Lee and Al Green being Houston natives elected to congrgess.
How does the demographics of the city council look in Houston?
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Old 07-09-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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Also when it comes to Charlotte, I wouldn't be surprised if transplanted college graduates make up a decent chunk of new residents in the lower income brackets.
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Old 07-09-2022, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Also when it comes to Charlotte, I wouldn't be surprised if transplanted college graduates make up a decent chunk of new residents in the lower income brackets.
What are the popular neighborhoods for Black professionals in Charlotte?
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Old 07-09-2022, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Thank you, one thing with any city we have to keep in mind. Is that was the height of the Great Recession, elevated poverty and lower incomes. But this is way more useful, I appreciate the work.
Definitely still impressive. But I do think a lot of this could be native residents, AND I think that is a good thing and actually better than migration. It means that NYC is a place where the black population is upwardly mobile on its own, and not just looking like that because wealthier black people have moved in. It’s still “gaining” middle class population, just people are moving socioeconomically vs geographically. Ideally, every city should be seeing this.

I’m sure there’s a way to triangulate various data points to confirm how much of this is newcomers va locals, but I’m not savvy enough to figure it out easily.
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Old 07-11-2022, 10:39 AM
 
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What are the popular neighborhoods for Black professionals in Charlotte?
There isn't any one such neighborhood for Black professionals primarily. They are scattered about although the most are probably in University City.
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