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Old 07-11-2022, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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^Yeah, I was a bit surprised by how low they were...

On the other end, Carson CA is a city where 58% of the black households make at least $75k. Inglewood CA and Vallejo CA come in at 38.6% and 39.9%. All three are some of the blackest cities in CA/the Western part of the country(Carson is around 23%, Inglewood is around 39% and Vallejo around 20% black).

As for a predominantly black city, Mount Vernon NY comes in 36.2% and is the highest I've seen in that regard, as of now(around 63% black).

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B
What's crazy is Brockton MA has 3x as many black people making over 200k than New Haven does... But then again black people in the New Haven area can afford to live in Ansonia, Derby, West Haven and Hamden.

Brockton MA 45.1% (16.2% over 150k) Brockton is the Blackest City in New England. Blacks are the predominate group
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Old 07-11-2022, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Edmonds, WA
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Cleveland and Miami gotta get it together dude..
South Florida is notorious for its low wages across the board. I imagine it’s a tough place to live for a lot of people.

I don’t know what Cleveland’s excuse is.
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Old 07-11-2022, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Bmore area/Greater D.C.
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New Haven CT: 20.4% (6.3% above 150k)

Baltimore MD: 24.9% (5.0% above 150k)

Providence RI: 23.8% (2.9% above 150k)

Philadelphia PA: 19.6% ( 4.1% above 150k)

@CKHTHANKGOD hopefully this can illuminate why Black professionals gravitate to Boston over Providence. Baltimore has a pretty solid Middle-Class Black population despite only having 17.4% with a college degree or higher. It lacks some of that more top-tier 150k+ money you see in NYC DC and BOS though.
I think the 17.4% is for city, not metro.
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Old 07-11-2022, 03:41 PM
 
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What's crazy is Brockton MA has 3x as many black people making over 200k than New Haven does... But then again black people in the New Haven area can afford to live in Ansonia, Derby, West Haven and Hamden.

Brockton MA 45.1% (16.2% over 150k) Brockton is the Blackest City in New England. Blacks are the predominate group
For smaller or any cities so far, Carson CA and Middletown NY are the others that are above 40% of black households making $75,000 or more.
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Old 07-11-2022, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I think the 17.4% is for city, not metro.
yea. all of the stats listed here is for city propers - see thread title.
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Old 07-11-2022, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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^ Yes, I agree and I think Oakland is a great example of a city where only one side of it is portrayed, when there is this more affluent side to it as well.

Some more cities...

Cincinnati: 13.4%

Cleveland: 10.9%

Columbus: 19.7%


Denver: 30.5%

Detroit: 15.5%

Indianapolis: 17.2%

Nashville: 26.8%

Raleigh: 29.8%

Richmond: 16.6%

Seattle: 32.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B
A few more from Great Lakes/Midwest that seem to follow similar trend as their neighbors.

Grand Rapids: 17.5% (3.3% above 150k)

Buffalo: 15.8% (3.1% above 150k)

Pittsburgh: 15.7% (3.3% above 150k)

Milwaukee: 15.3% (2.1% above 150k)

Rochester: 13.7% (1.8% above 150k)

Toledo: 12.7% (1.6% above 150k)
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Old 07-11-2022, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Yea this is another reminder of why you can't rule cities out.

Boston LA Oakland DC NY are all in the same boat. For COL and incomes.

Those Sunbelt cities do really really well for their COL. But still, people making those high incomes in the aforementioned cities are middle class in mindset/credential even if their homes don't show it as much. Not everyone values the big home and yard- I know i sure as hell don't.

I cant include SF due to the outrageous COL. Obviously, middle-class black people prefer Oakland, and having been to both I totally get why.
DC COL is significantly lower than Boston, LA, Oakland, and NYC. Especially where Black people choose to live in DC which is overwhelmingly east of the river.
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Old 07-12-2022, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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DC COL is significantly lower than Boston, LA, Oakland, and NYC. Especially where Black people choose to live in DC which is overwhelmingly east of the river.
Ah yes the Mecca mentality. We knew it was coming.

Sadly, no it is not. Not compared to Boston at least- for reasons I actually talked about in another thread. Again, I’ve been in both cities extensively for prolonged periods of time. In 2017 I pretty much realized or felt that everything by other than housing was noticeably more expensive in DC. That’s probably even out more now.

https://www.salary.com/research/cost...n-dc/boston-ma

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As you can see here- the cost of living difference is negligible. DCs a little wealthier though (11.3% over 150k compare to 10.7% in Boston), but definitely in the same boat with Boston at the very least tbh. There’s very little daylight if any because Boston’s overall COL is below NYC SF/OAK/LA, especially after income and property taxes are factored in.

One reasons it’s remained popular with the wealthy and upper middle class are favorable tax laws minus the estate tax.

Everywhere black people choose to live in a metro is generally cheaper than non black places in a metro. The cost of goods in Mattapan is not anything like Brookline, this isn’t a DC unique phenomenon.

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Old 07-12-2022, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Ah yes the Mecca mentality. We knew it was coming.

Sadly, no it is not. Not compared to Boston at least- for reasons I actually talked about in another thread. Again, I’ve been in both cities extensively for prolonged periods of time. In 2017 I pretty much realized or felt that everything by other than housing was noticeably more expensive in DC. That’s probably even out more now.

https://www.salary.com/research/cost...n-dc/boston-ma

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As you can see here- the cost of living difference is negligible. DCs a little wealthier though (11.3% over 150k compare to 10.7% in Boston), but definitely in the same boat with Boston at the very least tbh. There’s very little daylight if any because Boston’s overall COL is below NYC SF/OAK/LA, especially after income and property taxes are factored in.

One reasons it’s remained popular with the wealthy and upper middle class are favorable tax laws minus the estate tax.

Everywhere black people choose to live in a metro is generally cheaper than non black places in a metro. The cost of goods in Mattapan is not anything like Brookline, this isn’t a DC unique phenomenon.
I’m talking about housing. The cost of housing is cheaper. Significantly cheaper and you agreed that it was over the last 2-years of threads. And what is this Mecca mentality you keep talking about? What happened to you man?

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Old 07-12-2022, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Ah yes the Mecca mentality. We knew it was coming.

Sadly, no it is not. Not compared to Boston at least- for reasons I actually talked about in another thread. Again, I’ve been in both cities extensively for prolonged periods of time. In 2017 I pretty much realized or felt that everything by other than housing was noticeably more expensive in DC. That’s probably even out more now.

https://www.salary.com/research/cost...n-dc/boston-ma

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As you can see here- the cost of living difference is negligible. DCs a little wealthier though (11.3% over 150k compare to 10.7% in Boston), but definitely in the same boat with Boston at the very least tbh. There’s very little daylight if any because Boston’s overall COL is below NYC SF/OAK/LA, especially after income and property taxes are factored in.

One reasons it’s remained popular with the wealthy and upper middle class are favorable tax laws minus the estate tax.

Everywhere black people choose to live in a metro is generally cheaper than non black places in a metro. The cost of goods in Mattapan is not anything like Brookline, this isn’t a DC unique phenomenon.
Frankly, they aren't in the same stratosphere in housing which is by far the largest expense for anyone.

DC Ward 7 and Ward 8 Home Ownership (East of the River)

Zip Code 20019 = May 2022 Median Sale Price $435,000

Zip Code 20020 = May 2022 Median Sale Price $453,500

Zip Code 20032 = May 2022 Median Sale Price $421,250

DC Property Tax = $0.85 per $100

DC Average Rental Rate
$2,261 per month


Boston Black Neighborhoods Home Ownership

Hyde Park Boston = May 2022 Median Sale Price $667,000

Dorchestor Boston = May 2022 Median Sale Price $708,000

Boston Average Rental Rate
$3,634 per month

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