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, it appears that the DC neighborhoods attract more Black professionals making under $150,000 which makes sense based on the difference in housing costs between DC's Black neighborhoods and Boston's Black neighborhoods. I don't think Black professionals making between $75K-$125K can really afford Boston.
Boston Black Neighborhoods 2011-2020 Difference
Zip Codes = 02121, 02124, 02126, 02131, 02136
Land Size = 14 sq. miles
Total Black Household Difference 2011-2020 = +1,158
Less than $10,000 = -1222
$10,000 to $14,999 = -338
$15,000 to $19,999 = -493
$20,000 to $24,999 = +365
$25,000 to $29,999 = -41
$30,000 to $34,999 =-163
$35,000 to $39,999 = -2
$40,000 to $44,999 = -359
$45,000 to $49,999 = -207
$50,000 to $59,999 = -640
$60,000 to $74,999 = + 675
$75,000 to $99,999 = + 276
$100,000 to $124,999 = +282
$125,000 to $149,999 = +592
$150,000 to $199,999 = +1211
$200,000 or more = +1222 Total Household Growth Over $75K = +3,583 Black Households
How is my theory not 100% accurate? The only thing I said was DC is cheaper which it is.
Boston Black Household Difference 2011-2020
Total Black Household Difference 2011-2020 = +445
$60,000 to $74,999 = +1605
$75,000 to $99,999 = +6
$100,000 to $124,999 = +789
$125,000 to $149,999 = +696
$150,000 to $199,999 = +2551
$200,000 or more = +2538 Total Black Household Growth Over $75K = +6,580
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DC Black Household Difference 2011-2020
Total Black Household Difference 2011-2020 = -5769
$60,000 to $74,999 = -1283[/color]
$75,000 to $99,999 = +553
$100,000 to $124,999 = -36
$125,000 to $149,999 = +2045
$150,000 to $199,999 = +2443
$200,000 or more = +4335 Total Black Household Growth Over $75K = +9,340
But that's not the only thing you said. See above:
"I don't think Black professionals making between $75K-$125K can really afford Boston."
But that wasn't accurate on your part, Boston added more black households between $60-125k than DC did... So it's quite obvious they can/could afford it.+2400 in Boston, -766 in DC This just goes further to prove my point that your not really taking into account the home buyer assistance programs, and the actual cost of a single unit in Boston compared to all the multi-family units..
I know this is gonna rub but Boston added more Black households above 60k than DC did. 8,185 compared to 8,057. So really I'm being generous in ranking DC above Boston because a single person remaking 60,000 is still middle class. Lower Middle Class but that's still an entry-level white color salary.
So why cant you just accept the "same boat" terminology. Just feels like ego at this point.
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Even if DC does build way more housing. The point still stands that the median price in Bostons back neighborhoods really is skewed by large multifamily units- theres virtually no denying that. We can see it plainly. I know the city well- well enough to know that the upper-middle class was coming into Boston before you crunched these numbers.
Also let's recall- I did say DC was gaining more. Honestly, I might've been surprised as you are that there was this much parity between BOS and DC. I wouldn't have known to be frank I wouldve expected DC to be doing a little better but its cool. In terms of comfortability/middle-class vibes, I think DC and Boston are in the same boat and the stats indicate that is true. We also see a lot of Black Bostonians moving to "non-black" residential neighborhoods namely West Roxbury, Roslindale, and Jamaica Plain. And single households moving to Downtown, Back Bay, Allston, and Mission Hill.
DC grew by well over 30% more than Boston so relatively Boston is doing well-hence why I ranked these places where I ranked them.
Median Household income is already higher for Blacks in Boston and will likely continue to create separation so far as I can tell...because Boston is punching much closer to DC in absolute numbers than it theoretically should. And high housing cost and higher black immigrant share (%) will mandate that.
DC is cheaper EOTR absolutely, but its not just housing production (thats a big part of it) theres a relative lack fo amenities, walkability, and safety EOTR compared with DRMHP. Boston is shifting to a middle-class black population faster in large part because Blacks have fewer attractive suburban options in Boston and the city is much safer, and there seem to be more schooling options and alternatives to city public schools. DMV saw way more black growth than Greater Boston. Obviously, a larger share of the Black middle class in the Boston Area prefers to live in the city
DC is doing well, Boston is doing well it's all good. I don't know why the thirst to differentiate and one up so much apart from the 'mecca mentality' i mentioned at the beginning of this..
You’re missing a substantial difference in DC that makes it different from really most cities. The Black people overwhelmingly prefer to live around people that look like them whether in the city or suburbs. This dynamic doesn’t exist in Atlanta, Houston, or Dallas and certainly doesn’t exist in NE cities. Black people live in Ward 7, Ward 8, Prince George’s County, and Charles County in the DC area. That’s whether you’re rich, poor, or in between. It creates an ecosystem and housing market that is unique to DC. It makes any attempt to use metro wide COL stats inaccurate.
The Anacostia River and Potomac River create a barrier which isolates and protects the Black community and it is also one of the things that makes DC so unique. People in Virginia have to cross the Potomac River and people in the urban core of DC have to cross the Anacostia River. There are many things that exist because of this geography. One of the most unique is Class A luxury apartment buildings in the Black parts of the metro being almost 100% Black. The Black middle class population in DC just hits different.
But that's not the only thing you said. See above:
"I don't think Black professionals making between $75K-$125K can really afford Boston."
But that wasn't accurate on your part, Boston added more black households between $60-125k than DC did... So it's quite obvious they can/could afford it.+2400 in Boston, -766 in DC This just goes further to prove my point that your not really taking into account the home buyer assistance programs, and the actual cost of a single unit in Boston compared to all the multi-family units..
I know this is gonna rub but Boston added more Black households above 60k than DC did. 8,185 compared to 8,057. So really I'm being generous in ranking DC above Boston because a single person remaking 60,000 is still middle class. Lower Middle Class but that's still an entry-level white color salary.
So why cant you just accept the "same boat" terminology. Just feels like ego at this point.
Bruh, DC added 2,359 Black households making between $60K-$124,999 in 16 sq. miles East of the River. This is before the massive flood of brand new luxury Class A apartments even started to deliver this year. East of the River DC is adding thousands upon thousands of new luxury units in huge 200-300 units buildings that are overwhelmingly Black in occupancy. You should stop.
What DC is buildings East of the River is unique to DC because of geography and topography and we can leave it at that.
Bruh, DC added 2,359 Black households making between $60K-$124,999 in 16 sq. miles East of the River. This is before the massive flood of brand new luxury Class A apartments even started to deliver this year. East of the River DC is adding thousands upon thousands of new luxury units in huge 200-300 units buildings that are overwhelmingly Black in occupancy. You should stop.
So? Like honestly? Why would I stop? I’m just taking the numbers you gave me and telling you what it is. There is nothing to stop.
This thread was never about East of the River DC. Or was it?*wink wink* Redlionjr called it. Post #3 lol.
“The middle class in DC just hits different” *has never been to Boston, has no idea how or if it hits the same or different*
So? Like honestly? Why would I stop? I’m just taking the numbers you gave me and telling you what it is. There is nothing to stop.
This thread was never about East of the River DC. Or was it?*wink wink* Redlionjr called it. Post #3 lol.
“The middle class in DC just hits different” *has never been to Boston, has no idea how of it hits the same or different*
^mecca mentality
I didn’t bring up DC. You did! I didn’t say people in DC are paying the same amount to live as people in Boston, you did. Honestly, I don’t really know why you argued. I’m still right. People in Boston are paying way more to live. And in old outdated houses to also.
Boston isn’t even part of a discussion when talking about Black people so I don’t know what to tell you.
I didn’t bring up DC. You did! I didn’t say people in DC we’re paying the same amount to live as people in Boston, you did. Honestly, I don’t really know why you argued. I’m still right. People in Boston are paying way more to live. And in old outdated houses to also.
I brought it up because it’s exceptional along with 2/3 other cities.
I said there in the same boat and you were like “naw”. I guess that’s valid for the other cities though. I brought out like 5 COL calculators that showed minimal if any COL difference and you wanted to go further so I just went, the numbers backed me up for the most part.
Do You live in DC or MD?- because if you live in MD I’m sure it washes greater Boston in everything and that’s good for you. Because it’s an attractive alternative to DC (which obviously isn’t unattractive itself). I simply said In terms of middle class community and COL and income there’s not much difference. And that’s true. We’ve crunched those numbers now.
At the end of the day DC has MORE black middle class households and far more in the suburbs. So you can rest your laurels on that.
When DC starts to not look like the run away #1. Again, thank you redlion, we quickly turn to the development pipeline. It never fails.
We could be talking about toothpaste and it’d come back to the number of class A units on Naylor Road circa 2026.
Is this because Baltimore was getting praise? You tried to tear down Baltimore and somehow bring up Boston eventually when nobody else was talking about it. That’s the only thing I can think of.
And by the way, I’m going to talk about development regardless because it is by far the #1 thing I care about for any city. Anybody who has been on this site for a decade or more could tell you that.
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