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Old 07-07-2022, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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Good list, but what makes this tough is that almost all of these cities are spread out.

To the original question, I wouldn’t be surprised if this would be more of a satellite city thing. For instance, a couple of small cities like Middletown NY and Brockton MA have about 40%+ of their black households have incomes of $75,000 or higher. So, those are the kinds of cities where the black middle class likely grew.
Your early on point is a valid one in that Minneapolis & D.C. of the listed cities are the only ones to still be confined to very old city limit lines that have not changed via annexation or consolidation in a century (Mpls) or for far longer than that (D.C.).

Trying to find factors of commonality for comparison that are fair in terms of trend standards are thus difficult.
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Old 07-07-2022, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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Your early on point is a valid one in that Minneapolis & D.C. of the listed cities are the only ones to still be confined to very old city limit lines that have not changed via annexation or consolidation in a century (Mpls) or for far longer than that (D.C.).

Trying to find factors of commonality for comparison that are fair in terms of trend standards are thus difficult.
Does the fact that NW Indy has a sizeable middle class black population, but is a more suburban looking area, somehow negate the fact that the area is within the city limits of Indianapolis? I mean, they pay taxes to the city, right?
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Your early on point is a valid one in that Minneapolis & D.C. of the listed cities are the only ones to still be confined to very old city limit lines that have not changed via annexation or consolidation in a century (Mpls) or for far longer than that (D.C.).

Trying to find factors of commonality for comparison that are fair in terms of trend standards are thus difficult.
Right, because MPLS still has some of the worst Black metrics, maybe now just ahead of Pittsburgh and Milwaukee. And DC pretty much has the absolute best.

They're opposite ends of the spectrum.

DC is in the South which is gaining tons of black people. MPLS is in the midwest which is generally losing a lot of black people.
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Total opposite. Blacks are fleeing Baltimore and it is overwhelminglymiddle class families. Theyre fleeing Baltimore for Howard County Harford County and Baltimore County. Theres a black middle class here due to sheer numbers but it feels so very small as most black middle class people not working for the city look at you strange if you live in Baltimore City. After 4 years here Ive gotten the memo now..

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion...330-story.html

https://www.city-data.com/forum/balt...ltimore-4.html
Baltimore City is losing lower-income Black families but gaining Black middle-class families. That is why this topic is so interesting. The media isn't going to write about the Black middle-class, they only write about the lower-income Black population leaving.
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:16 AM
 
Location: United States
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Awhile back I posted an article here that talked about young black professionals increasing in Chicago proper despite the metro's overall loss of black families. I'm not sure what the data says but maybe someone could shed some light on that.
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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Good list, but what makes this tough is that almost all of these cities are spread out.

To the original question, I wouldn’t be surprised if this would be more of a satellite city thing. For instance, a couple of small cities like Middletown NY and Brockton MA have about 40%+ of their black households have incomes of $75,000 or higher. So, those are the kinds of cities where the black middle class likely grew.
This list gives an idea of some cities in the Northeast and where I got the information for those 2 small cities from: https://www.city-data.com/forum/63592189-post1421.html
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Old 07-07-2022, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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There was an article in Politico not long about about the exodus of black residents from major cities and the suburbanization of the black community.

Below is black population decline/growth by city proper from 2000-2020. I am leaving Louisville, KY off because their definition of city changed between 2000-2020. The numbers do include both foreign born blacks and African Americans. I think the trends are quite clear. Most seem to prefer suburban based cities away from the urban mega centers. The numbers of course would skew towards cities with large geographical boundaries, but that only further proves that the trend is towards more suburban environments:

Charlotte: 100,718
Columbus, OH: 85,971
Fort Worth: 67,963
Jacksonville: 66,118
Indianapolis: 54,640
Phoenix: 44,365
Raleigh: 43,535
Nashville: 39,186
Las Vegas: 27,102
Houston: 22,385
Dallas: 20,510
Durham, NC: 19,823
Oklahoma City: 16,936
St. Paul: 15,389
Fort Lauderdale: 15,179
Minneapolis: 14,402
Miami: 11,365
West Palm Beach: 11,216
Tampa: 10,206
Orlando: 9,862
Milwaukee: 8,923
Boston: 8,671
Seattle: 7,259
Omaha: 7,096
Austin: 4,981
Denver: 3,752
Portland: 3,593
Virginia Beach: 3,563
Sacramento: 3,452
Richmond: 3,109
Norfolk, VA: 2,931
Tulsa: 931

Providence: -64
Kansas City: -246
Greenville: -365
Hartford: -1,948
Charleston, SC: -1,996
San Jose: -2,250
Springfield, MA: -2,831
Atlanta: -3,665
Memphis: -8,854
San Diego: -12,601
San Francisco: -13,169
Cincinnati: -13,222
Pittsburgh: -16,152
Birmingham: -20,246
Philadelphia: -30,574
St. Louis: -35,319
Washington DC: -57,995
Cleveland: -59,956
Los Angeles: -76,503
Baltimore: -80,110
New Orleans: -116,937
New York City: -176,062
Chicago: -261,763
Detroit: -277,516


https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...decline-523563
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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There was an article in Politico not long about about the exodus of black residents from major cities and the suburbanization of the black community.

Below is black population decline/growth by city proper from 2000-2020. I am leaving Louisville, KY off because their definition of city changed between 2000-2020. The numbers do include both foreign born blacks and African Americans. I think the trends are quite clear. Most seem to prefer suburban based cities away from the urban mega centers. The numbers of course would skew towards cities with large geographical boundaries, but that only further proves that the trend is towards more suburban environments:

Charlotte: 100,718
Columbus, OH: 85,971
Fort Worth: 67,963
Jacksonville: 66,118
Indianapolis: 54,640
Phoenix: 44,365
Raleigh: 43,535
Nashville: 39,186
Las Vegas: 27,102
Houston: 22,385
Dallas: 20,510
Durham, NC: 19,823
Oklahoma City: 16,936
St. Paul: 15,389
Fort Lauderdale: 15,179
Minneapolis: 14,402
Miami: 11,365
West Palm Beach: 11,216
Tampa: 10,206
Orlando: 9,862
Milwaukee: 8,923
Boston: 8,671
Seattle: 7,259
Omaha: 7,096
Austin: 4,981
Denver: 3,752
Portland: 3,593
Virginia Beach: 3,563
Sacramento: 3,452
Richmond: 3,109
Norfolk, VA: 2,931
Tulsa: 931

Providence: -64
Kansas City: -246
Greenville: -365
Hartford: -1,948
Charleston, SC: -1,996
San Jose: -2,250
Springfield, MA: -2,831
Atlanta: -3,665
Memphis: -8,854
San Diego: -12,601
San Francisco: -13,169
Cincinnati: -13,222
Pittsburgh: -16,152
Birmingham: -20,246
Philadelphia: -30,574
St. Louis: -35,319
Washington DC: -57,995
Cleveland: -59,956
Los Angeles: -76,503
Baltimore: -80,110
New Orleans: -116,937
New York City: -176,062
Chicago: -261,763
Detroit: -277,516


https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...decline-523563
The only issue here is they haven't talked about "who" is leaving. Census data has shown many cities are gaining the Black middle-class and losing lower-income Black households.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The only issue here is they haven't talked about "who" is leaving. Census data has shown many cities are gaining the Black middle-class and losing lower-income Black households.
Right and I have the economic specific data Ill post when I get time. That was just an overview.
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Old 07-07-2022, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Awhile back I posted an article here that talked about young black professionals increasing in Chicago proper despite the metro's overall loss of black families. I'm not sure what the data says but maybe someone could shed some light on that.


Looking at a city like Chicago that has seen a significant loss in their total Black population, that loss has only happened from households making under $75,000 per year. The biggest loss has happened in households making under $10,000 per year.

Chicago Black Households 2000-2020 Difference


Total Black Households = -43013
Less than $10,000 = -29265
$10,000 to $14,999 = -2877
$15,000 to $19,999 = -2819
$20,000 to $24,999 = -3353
$25,000 to $29,999 = -7038
$30,000 to $34,999 = -6308
$35,000 to $39,999 = -6404
$40,000 to $44,999 = -4653
$45,000 to $49,999 = -3749
$50,000 to $59,999 = -4131
$60,000 to $74,999 = -2349

$75,000 to $99,999 = +4271
$100,000 to $124,999 = +7374
$125,000 to $149,999 = +7170
$150,000 to $199,999 = +6452
$200,000 or more = +4666



2000 Chicago Census Data

2020 Chicago Census Data

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